I host lottery games for everyone not just me we all have a chance at winning but I don't win a whole either so..... also the first 10 ranks are based on level but we also reward members with officers and general ranks that you cant attain through level but through giving the clan a good name and recruiting members also me being a Major General I put in a word in for members based on their ideas and their game play with me so there are other ways to rank up other than levels

The thing is - your whole idea is sick. By taking a historical name that SHOULD be bashed or vanish, and acting nice, you 1) look pathetic 2) you try making likable something that is hated for a reason, and a damn good one.

Stop acting like an imbecile. Another handicapped clan... :/

you do understand the first to german reichs weren't Nazi the first one was the Holy Roman Empire the second was the German Empire and the 3rd was Nazi so that means the fourth doesn't have to be a reincarnation nazism

I don't see Ludolfings nor Bismarcks in your clan. I don't see clan roles based on the history other than that of the 3rd reich so stop that nonsense already...

hans, hans...

It's fairly ignorant to call the 4th racist, without knowing the history of the first 2.

It's portraying things from the 3rd Reich, but not the first two, so your argument is invalid. Also, are you suggesting you know German History well enough to make such statements?

it's fairly ignorant to bash people in a forum thread without reading the person's arguments not understanding the case.

Hopefully a successful attempt to re-rail the thread.

The Fourth Reich has the larger player base due to the methods employed by those recruiting, it is only natural not all of those players will represent themselves and the clan positively. Leadership understands the hostility direct towards us due to the name and gives a solid attempt to steer members in the right direction.

As for why we have't been publicly labeled as this or that was already stated within the thread. We stick to our own community, we do not actively participate in the public forums and the only complaints received are those from games being played.

We all have our reasons for joining I'm not in love with our name but why should that prevent me from enjoying the community.

Regards

hostility towards the name.. ehmm.. says Rommel...

I now see why T4R sticks to themselves maybe it was better I didn't bring us into ublic but stick to our own community I will follow you Erwin seeing as smart you are you are to be followed

I think I know enough about German history to call people ignorant, yes. As for Michael and rommel, Im Sorry your clan had to experience this. I truly am. I blame the others for this.

Erwin Rommel was one of the most strategic generals of all the 20th century. There is no need to bash the name.

Rommel wasn't a Nazi, he was a soldier of the Wehrmacht and it's widely believed he wasn't aware of what was going on in Europe in terms of rounding up and exterminating civilians, that's not a name you can drag through the dirt. Nor did I even mention his name.

Lawlz, you're an ignorant fool. If several Germans claim they're offended, then maybe there's a reason. Claiming you know enough about German History to call German's ignorant just proves my point about you being a fool and an embarrassment.

Ok. My shorthand was a bit to much. I did not mean to bash Rommel's name. It was rather me still talking about the connotations with 3rd reich.. you can't deny it, when there's a Hitler and Rommel involved... and much more ofc..

Honestly I see nothing wrong with it. They make it VERY clear on their clan page that they do not condone anti-Semitic beliefs or Naziism. I have played games with numerous T4R members and have found that the ones I talk to do not support Nazis at all. In fact, in one diplo game, our alliance was forced to join the USSR because the T4R member refused to ally Nazi Germany because he despised the killing of millions of innocent people. Honestly, base a clan off ANYTHING in history and someone could get offended. Actually. Try me. They offend no more than any historically based clan will.

you guys must understand this is a laughing stalk lol people are reading this and are rolling on the floor laughing as this is quit interesting

I like how you changed your picture, Michael ^^

I like my new picture its so much better

Hauptman, you must have reading issues, because I've yet to call anyone ignorant. I said knowing what I know, it's ignorant to call the 4th Reich racist, and that I can call out ignorance. I'm no more a fool than you, you petty f***er

You say:

Hauptman, you must have reading issues, because I've yet to call anyone ignorant.

But before you said:

I think I know enough about German history to call people ignorant, yes.

and this, which I found a couple moments later:

It's fairly ignorant to call the 4th racist, without knowing the history of the first 2.

So, who has reading issues? Also, there are two N's in my name! Clear up your writing issues while you're at it!

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