Nice ranking and thank you.

I came here to defend my clan.

Edited 5/31/2017 00:32:43

Only thing i would change, i would have made 11 points just for mod and buns! :)

Agree. You can give 11 points to "insane players" for people who are expert in all format and can fit every template format easily!
The more points and classes, the more the ranking is well built!
Thanks for the effort

I think if we just reduce the numbers in the 10 point category and put the non mod/Buns guys into the 9 point category, it might be better.

If someone else or even myself is doing it the next time, it would be probably a good idea to put some experienced players together to agree as a group on the players in these categories, since especially these categories are the most subjective ones.

Surprised Outlaws got ranked 5th

Even more surprised nobody has challenged that...

I currently could see ONE! challenging that (considering their really surprising performance on this year's CL division A) and maybe French because they managed to stay in division A for quite some time already and do well there. I don't really see other clans though that could challenge that 5th place for Outlaws as we are speaking right now.

The somewhat underwhelming performance of Outlaws in Division A of CL of this year (might be due to external factors, probably not related to their skills) surely can make us question if they are indeed the 5th best clan, but other factors like performances on MDL ladder and other ladders and general tend to show Outlaws have a lot of skills. I personally wondered why Outlaws did not do so well in this CL, wondering if they belonged in A at some point, but the explanations I got from Plat made me realize why they are in the position of survival they are right now. One thing is for sure, Outlaws I think can't be ranked (for now) more than 4th (according to Edge's ranking system) and no lower than 7th I would believe.

I could definitely see Turtles arguing about that 4th place under GG though, the later having ran into some hard times in division A of CL8 for probably various reasons (not necessarily only skills).

Considering how ONE! lost a some very good players like Mifran, Hello, Nox and Pardon to other top clans but still manage to pull out such a performance in CL9 is really admirable. If they can stop losing top players like that, they should probably aspire to great things because the way they recruit and train people seems to be really excellent!

Edited 6/5/2017 01:58:57

Outlaws were ranked 5th due to the additions of Odin and Widzisz who didn't participate in CL for us. Both have gave us a higher rating. Without them we would have dropped to a 7.6, so that would have put us slightly behind One and on the same rating as the French Community.

CORP looks accurately placed in this (although I'd count Orange instead of HHH because of the latter's inactivity, which propably still yields the same rating).

Funny to see clans like Vikinger and Blitz (who placed high) already off the map.

You took into account only 6 7th Heaven players with about 9 playing for them in CL?

Thanks for doing this! Great job.

Edited 6/24/2017 11:39:44

Yeah i can't judge about someone who never proofed himself on a ladder. Win rates can be highly inflated so i excluded those kind of players. I think the 6 7th Heaven players i included are the 6 who are playing for them in C now.

This list is useless. There's no mention of Anime women anywhere!

I hope USSR is soon in that list. I think we are in the top 30.

This clan is RP/Diplo based and overall a good and active community.

Edge list is based on strategic based clans.

Founded 10 months ago Outlaws are an uprising clan, who made its first appearance in those rankings. Despite the fact that they currently have a hard fight to stay in Division A of Clan League, they still managed to get into the top 5 in this ranking. The latest recruits of Odin and Widzisz played an important role for that. With Krzysztof and Odin i rated two players into the elite category. Since the foundation of Outlaws they managed to develope some of their players into very good players, like Njord. A large number of good players around them give the clan all together a great base for the future.

Kk, I'll take the bait. Who says Odin is an elite top player? Even back in the meta where he had his best performances, there was never any competitive consensus since he tended not to play in the big competitive events. Basically there's no undeniable proof that puts him at that top category. When you look at the rest of those people in that 10/10 category you see a long history of playing consistently at the top. That's one of the main reasons why you conceded that Jz couldn't be in that category, in which I agree with you.

Odin has not been in the public competitive spotlight since like 2 years ago I think? Also I don't think Odin fixes Outlaws biggest problem.. the fact that Outlaws lost every Europe 3v3 game (except ongoing 3v3 to Masters) except to Blitz who lost to everyone in that tournament. Sure, the Rome 3v3 tournament looks good, but Odin is not going to fix that no matter how good he is at 3v3s, and there's no guarantee that Rome 3v3 is going to stay (at least not with the same settings).

To rank Outlaws above ONE! is pretty ambitious, especially given the fact ONE! has more results while all that Outlaws have right now is potential. I think you guys forget that no matter how much potential there is in a team it means nothing until they can prove that they can perform. Outlaws have not proven they can perform consistently, while ONE! definitely has.

I love Widzisz, but he fits to Outlaws current strengths, which won't really improve Outlaws as a whole. So I disagree that Outlaws belongs in the top 5, they definitely fit into the top 10, but to place them in the top 5 is being blinded by potential rather than results.

i think your way of assessing clan strength does make sense(to cover all normal formats)and have succes as a clan(in cl i presume) but that is not the way these rankings were made. they were made on individual scores of players that were just added up

Edited 6/25/2017 23:54:40

also have you seen the eu game?i have not so i dont know the posistion in the games, but there was boots in all of the 5 losses

Regarding Europe , 4/6 games were booted. We were crippled with boots. Lynx we were heavily outplayed , Turtles was booted from the start and ONE! + French we had boots in critical turns.

We used many replacements on EU alone and had to call in 2 players who weren't very experienced to do the job against Blitz.

No excuses for boots but not entirely accurate of our skill on 3v3 EU I feel anyways.

Maybe next season we can do a better showing on EU.

I think our weak point was our roster choice on CL because of the fact we used all 6 replacements. Boots didn't help. I also believe maybe the experience played a part .. Not often you can play the top players at the top level. But fuck excuses performance matters.

Edited 6/26/2017 00:08:18

Njord sums it up pretty good. These rankings aren't about CL, these rankings are about a categorization of each player in that clan (if that player showed enough to allow making me put him into one of my categories).

And as i already stated in my first posts. I tried to find some consensus metrics to got rankings who are as accurate as they can be, but especially the highest 2 categories are a subjective part. Every one will probably has other elite or close to elite players. If i ever do that again i will definitely use the same metrics and i will definitely try to find a group of players of different clans to help me put these 2 top categories together. I do think i did overall a good job on evalutating those 2 categories, but ofc. there are always different opinions.

Looking at it now, i would be open to talk about categorization of players like Odin with other players. But looking at it now i would also rank a player like Widzisz higher than i originally had. There is just a lack of experience from my side for all events that happened before my time, so my view was influenced by things u can hear and especially read about a player and Odin was always listed in other Clan rankings together with the players of 20 as a clan who fielded in general the best players. Odin was named in the same sentence as szweningen f.ex. and since i could never read any disagreement with that, who would i have been to disagree with it on my own, if i never saw them play back then? So it was the only thing that made sense to me to assume, that this consens was the truth.

About CL: Atm, we could field a very competitive 1vs1 lineup. Besides China we did a good job on the 2vs2. And the 3vs3 EU tournament was just a mess with boots for us. Kezzo and Dogberry stepped in and made a good job in a time were we really suffered hard on EU. Trust me we not only have Odin who can make us stronger on EU. We also have aoc who we can put in any time and know that he is competitive to play against the best.

Edited 6/26/2017 08:09:10

But Odin account was not sold time ago? Are we sure we are talking of the same guy?

It's not surprising that an outlaw player is overratting the Outlaws clan.

I don't think i overrate us. As i said it's a ranking based on individual skills put together to an average skill level of that clan. Other factors play a role into it as well, so i adjusted certain things manually, but overall i do think my rating is pretty accurate. 1 position up or down is debateable, but overrating would mean i rate us drastically better than others, which i don't think i did here.

Looking at CL we had a rough start, but managed to make a comeback into the top 5 and it looks like we have a good chance to stay in Division A. All of that without 2 players who raised our rating here from a 7.6 to a 8.0. And a 7.6 without them seems pretty accurate to me. Slightly below One and on the same level as the French Community.

Edit:
@ ilpeggiore
I don't know where u got that information from, but Odin didn't sold his account. It's still the same guy.

Edited 6/29/2017 11:06:02