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Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 00:00:31

JSA 
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My opinion of the 10 players that currently or will represent each generation:

Old Guard: Heyheuhei, Qi, Lobstrosity, Unknownsoldier, Myhandisonfire, Szewenigen, Teddy, The Impaller, Zibik, Zaeban

The Experimental Generation: Timinator, JSA, Fridge, Luxis, Trolussa, Summer, Gnuffone, Falker, Dead piggy, Frankdeslimste

The Up and Coming: Dom, Mirror, Rento, Kryzchu, Gambler, Latnox, Hauptmann, Ultimaratio, Lord Syvedyas, Unreality

The Old Guard is obviously well set now, some might include players like TheLollipop Guild, Fatih, Salah, Bishes, etc, but most have never heard of those players anymore. 2 names have stayed big despite their inactivity: Zaeban and The Impaller. Others, depsite their lower level of play or very low level of activity recently, are still viewed as legends by many: Lobstrosity, Heyheuhei, Unkonwnsoldier, Zibik, Szeweningen. Qi and Myhand are viewed by most as 2 of the top 5 players in the game, some view them as the top 2. Teddy has dominated the 1v1 ladder recently and was a huge name when he left a while back.

The Experimental Generation includes 8 players that have taken #1 on a ladder, and have shown to be some of the best in terms of a specific setting, while only 1-2 (Gnuffone, and possibly Timinator) have reached the "Legend" status. Fridge and Psy are said to be very good 3v3 players and despite their lack of presence on the ladders, are fairly well known. Psy will be much better known in the future I think, especially if he starts playing 1v1's, but I removed him currently to go with Luxis. The underlying thing with this generation is that this generation still has work to do, but have already had a lot of success, and became known as good players in 2012, and great players in 2013. This is currently the dominant generation on warlight in terms of the ladders.

The Up and Coming Generation is full of players that have had a small amount of success very recently, and it looks likely they will continue on their road of success. Some of these players joined in 2013, while a couple joined in late 2011 but are only now making a big name for themself, and can't really be considered in the Experimental Generation. This generation is still learning a lot on warlight, and will continue to grow as a generation; this is the list that will change the most over time. An underlying thing with this generation is that they began to be noticed as good players in 2013.

I feel the next year will be a power struggle between The Experimental Generation and the Up and Coming Generation, and in my opinion, The Up and Coming generation will become the dominant generation near the end of 2014.

I feel you can debate some of the players on my list, and feel free to make your own lists, they are obviously going to be opiniated, as is mine. I was just looking for some well-known players to show what the generation is about.

Edited 1/15/2014 03:34:25
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 00:11:46


professor dead piggy 
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"while only 1-2 (Gnuffone, and possibly Timinator) have reached the "Legend" status"
citation fucking needed

Edited 1/15/2014 00:17:37
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 00:41:43


professor dead piggy 
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I think individual high level players use very different styles of play. Its odd to group them chronologically.

Guessers: timi gnuff myhand (red). Win by guessing what the opponents picks and moves are likely to be based on their experience in thousands of games and use this knowlege to counter. Strong risk management skills.

Aggressive: dunga zaeban. Win by brute force, picking small bonuses, killing few neutrals, building big stacks and therefore leaving their opponent no room for error.

defensive: sze gui summer. Win by picking a collection of bonuses that are greater than the sum of their parts. They establish a small long term advantage with picks and then wait for it to win for them. Strong understanding of map balance.

solid: hhh chris teddy. Win by taking no risks and making no questionable moves and waiting for the opponent to screw up. I never look at a game they won and think "oh god, really?" about one of their moves. How I imagine an effective AI would play.

I dont know where i fit in. I usually understand roughly whats going to happen long before it does.

Edited 1/15/2014 00:42:48
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 00:59:53

JSA 
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Oftentimes I see them grouped by style of play. I wanted to try something different.

I like your analysis and grouping of their styles though. You don't fit in any of those groups, you fit in the group I'd put myself, you, Frank, and TWM in, and I might move Summer to this group as well, although I've watched very few of her games so I'm not too sure. We tend to use different styles effectively, and our picks are more unpredictable than Sze, and dunga, while not being as unprdictable as Gnuffone's and Timinator's. I know I personally have used the top 3 styles often, and I rotate based on the game. I think you tend to lean more towards Agressive than me, but I feel you still use all 3 styles often, as well as solid.

Also, Do you mean you would put Anonymous in the guesser group? Or that he is myhand? The parenthesees is throwing me off :p
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 01:28:20


professor dead piggy 
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Anonymous is a biiiiig guesser but not a top level player. So he gets a nod in that group.
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 02:19:16


NoobSchool (AHoL) • apex 
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I see how it is!
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 02:51:41


Clifford The Big Red Dog 
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i feel you bro...
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 02:54:19


{rp} Julius Caesar 
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I like the grouping you showed. But I feel as if this should be double. One row for the players, one for the forum posters. So it would go
Players
Old gaurd
Players. Forum Posters
- your list. New list

And so on an so forth. I may not be a big player. I do forum post a lot, am I important? Maybe. But what generation am I? I came in between the experimental and up and coming. Though I guess I'm experimental seeing as these new people on the forums (all the Illuminati members, a good deal of pulseys Alts).
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 04:58:40

Jehovah 
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what a jayish post!!! Jay being nosy and analyzing other people again with a ton of bs, and jay using this as an excuse to to sell himself again by rating himself along with other 'legends'! Good work jay!

Hellbender if there was a list of forum legends you wouldn't be part of it.
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 07:34:07


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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First time I agreed with Nike for ages :/ Posting a lot doesn't make you a legend. Posting very interesting games/tournaments does. Forum legends would include Dunga, JSA, G. Mac and Lolowut.
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 08:23:10

Jehovah 
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[quote[Forum legends would include Dunga, JSA, G. Mac and Lolowut.[/quote]

what??? i agree about jay but only times i see Dunga is his nations post, i rarely see G.Mac around here, Lolowut is only posting those silly live tournies or vigorously defending his apex friends. The forum legends i had in mind were more along the lines like X and Qi.
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 08:42:56


[WM] Gnuffone 
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i would put Gangnam style in The Experimental Generation, he was extremely good. He wins some live tourney, and he was a very good in 1v1s too.
http://warlight.net/Profile?p=4214477543
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 08:44:20


[WM] Gnuffone 
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The Experimental Generation includes 8 players that have taken #1 on a ladder

i count 9, all except fridge.
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 13:11:31


♈§IRIÜS♈ 
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The Up and Coming is not that true because you didn't include Verzehrer (nice job for mentioning lord btw). Also, you forgot to include Ruthless Bastard.
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 13:43:59


Krzysztof 
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Oh, it's nice to be placed in such noble company, but after playing more than 6k games i don't feel i'm still improving, so 'Down and falling' would suit me better :P
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 16:21:12


[WM] Anonymous 
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I am old as f*ck here. My achivments talks for me.
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 16:23:46


Mudderducker 
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You should say well-known and representative to the forum
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 17:45:22


Frankdeslimste • apex 
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Gnuff, it's 8. I didn't get further than 2nd place.

Also I disagree with Piggy. Red is much awesome, so good.
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 17:47:21


[WM] ᵀᴴᴱ𝓕𝓻𝓲𝓭𝓰𝓮 
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gnuffone - i count 10.

as for the experimental gen - definitely GangnamStyle should be included. He is dominant in many templates and as Gnuff said - he is extremely good. But there were others there as well.. Psy, Brisk, Dreuj, Dunga, Boston, Beelz, Bumblebee and many many more.. However I'm not really sure about Summer - maybe we played different templates, but i feel like she wasn't that good until pretty much recently.. In my personal list i would put her in the third generation - Right on top of it as she went beyond most in 3rd gen, and i feel she started playing seriously sort of in between the two "waves" of players.. so either she's 2nd gen's last word, or the first of the fresh gen to come and crush "the old farts"..

frank - you made it to #1 on 2v2 with ollie..

Edited 1/15/2014 17:58:09
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 18:02:01


[WM] Gnuffone 
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OK then is 10 :)
And i agree with Fridge's list, except Bumblebee, he wasn't that good.
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 18:44:51


Frankdeslimste • apex 
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Ah, for some reason I thought he only meant the 1v1 ladder.
And I also did it with Luxis ;)
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 19:02:13


UnlimitedLawlz
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Wow, only the elitist skill members with availability to ladder? I see how it is......why not add a short list of roleplaying up-and-comers? (because roleplay players make up at least a third of warlight)
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 20:07:18


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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Because role-play is not a measurable form of talent, neither is it considered a significant part of competitive WarLight (which this thread is obviously all about).
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 20:14:48


UnlimitedLawlz
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So you consider roleplay insignificant and below the rest of warlight? It does take talent to roleplay, the actual game of warlight is strategy and math, simple. While serious roleplaying takes lots of thought and an imagination. And every game is different, which means hundreds of different scenarios to roleplay as. Roleplaying takes just as much work, if not more, than becoming good at strategy, and ultimately, the ladder all you seem to praise.
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 20:22:39


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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Roleplaying takes just as much work

Completely different work, none of which has to do with competitive (even team) games. RP is fun; but by its very definition it isn't serious. Neither it is as difficult to be good at it when compared to competitive games. I am a semi-decent player in the ladder (I like to think ;) ) but I can also role-play very very easily. The only difficult thing is finding time for it.

So you consider roleplay insignificant and below the rest of warlight?


I don't consider role-play insignificant - I consider it to totally irrelevant to this thread.

Edited 1/15/2014 20:25:47
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 20:43:46


UnlimitedLawlz
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This thread is about the generations of warlight. It should have at the LEAST a small list of roleplayers. I'm glad you can roleplay easily. That must be why you consider it not so difficult to do so. But when I say serious roleplay, I mean dedication, not breaking character, Writing paragraphs that are novel-worthy (Genghis Ron). There are entire clans dedicated to the art of roleplay, both serious and for fun. Roleplayers at least need a shoutout.
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 21:09:20


Blortis 
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I can't beleive you guys would snub Billy Walsh like this.
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 21:20:55


[WM] ᵀᴴᴱ𝓕𝓻𝓲𝓭𝓰𝓮 
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i have played a lot of real role-playing games - and i don't mean cRPG which have nothing to do with true rpg.. i mean the classic rpgs or larps which involve serious skills... I also tried to play a few so called "role-playing" warlight matches.. But what i have seen was just a bunch of people who can't play very good, playing a game where only a small portion of players is role-playing. The rest just wanted to win it.. just like any other game.. but with it being easier since SOME of the opponents were more focussed on impersonating whatever role they had..

For me a role-playing game should not be considerred as a game to win or lose - it should be played more like a movie to be watched - you should be more interested in what will the next turn show than who will win in the end.. But i have seen no such game here. So for me now - warlight rp games are just a fancy name for yet another low-skill game.. somewhat half way between average semi-competitive games and lottery games.. arcade time killers - nothing more, nothing less..

I do however feel that if we were talking about warlight chronology per se - the rpg boom, and the lottery4points boom should be mentioned - they happenned somewhere shortly after the 3rd gen of competitive players arrived and most of which were still unknown to the community... (however it's not related to them ofc)
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 21:56:00


Mudderducker 
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I agree that Role-playing is not competitive at all. It's not even the point of the game, there's no skill involved just discipline and maturity is needed. The only skill is fun, your skilled if you can make the games fun and enjoyable to play.
Warlight Generations: 1/15/2014 22:24:01


Taishō 
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Apollo, I hope to change that a bit :D


the actual game of warlight is strategy and math, simple.


I don't mean to be crude, but judging from your stats there's nothing "simple" about it...understanding something isn't as hard as applying it practically, as you demonstrate so nicely for us.

(because roleplay players make up at least a third of warlight)


In the great words of Dead Piggy
citation fucking needed
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