witch-hunts are rarely known on this site. Apart from a few trollish individuals ... but from the most part most game cheaters and coin riggers get away with their crime. Even the time of their suspension is mediocre. Or sometimes they're accused and given no suspension or warning at all, even when the game creator says they violated the rules. I guess because Fizzer doesn't want people to permanently leave? I've had my own experience when I tried to rig coins with 30 alts. What do I have to say ? I got busted. I got called out. I was publically shamed. Then Fizzer noticed. Gave me a suspension of a mere 10 days. I came back. He had not taken my coins away from me. Hurrah! I win!

Meanwhile the first known coin cheater is still suspended after all this time:

https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=6217236116

Edited 3/1/2017 23:05:44

love how some folks enjoy blaming the system for everything but won't ever bother suggesting how to improve or even looked at uservoice.

Not quite; Plat quite nailed it:

I understand and agree with the suggesting ideas to improve but Uservoice for me is a bit pointless because by the time Fizzer gets time to act on the highest demands , The demands would be outdated and when your asking for a big feature you will not have a hope getting it through! This is because Fizzer is for the most part a 1 man team.

Uservoice is not really effective if upvoted suggestions pile up faster than updates do, so it's hard to rely on Uservoice, specially given since most people who lurk around Uservoice have ran out of votes long ago (I did, and I don't even check Uservoice too often anymore).

Suggestions have been tossed around too many times - in and out of UV - and have not been taken in.

Now, I don't blame Fizzer, since as Plat mentioned it's one guy trying to handle a quite big thing, but sometimes we have to recognise what's wrong even when we don't really have many options on how to fix it. For one, I've suggested using low boot times with Banked time rather than a fixed 3d for the ladder stalling issue.

Finding a link to the Uservoice page is such a pain, few will successfully navigate there. It is more placebo than remedy.

But hey, whatever reduces your fever...

Edited 3/2/2017 00:27:52

I'm curious about this topic, but I'm not sure if I understand it entirely or not.

It looks like there may be some kind of exploit in some fashion that turns some sub-section into a merry romping sandbox where rules and order are a thing of the past and you curb-stomp logic and fairness with the power of Math and the Mighty Infinity Gauntlet. :P

Or not, maybe my interpretation is totally off-base lol.


Look the way I see it is this: The factions involved primarily seem to be Fizzer vs. Gargamel vs. No Mercy.

No Mercy said something about not being able to find people to play with him? I'd like to find some way to enable a larger number of players to have equal opportunity at fun in the sun silly leveling up via coin lottery games, and it seems to me that the best way to accomplish that is to figure out what will make that more fun for people who aren't finding it fun right now.

I am a huge fan of the idea that all games should have cheats and exploits, but in social multiplayer internet games, it's important to get a community agreement on what methods of ''cheats'' are fun what methods of cheats are ''definitely not fun''.

So.....I'm basically asking: "This looks like cheating and this looks like fun, how do I get in, and are we absolutely sure we have to kill it?"

:P

Man, you don't play multiplayer, so you have no chance to get what is going on here. Sorry.
And no, we don't like cheats and exploits. Warlight is intended to be skill based game. This is why "cheater" is the worst accusation you can get here ;)

Except that we can't even agree on a comprehensive definition of cheater or if the actions being discussed here constitute a form of cheating

Plat: unity client will allow for mods from the users, fizzer mentioned the example of advanced diplomacy settings multiple times on the development livestreams. so he is effectively working in that direction.

Uservoice is not really effective if upvoted suggestions pile up faster than updates do, so it's hard to rely on Uservoice, specially given since most people who lurk around Uservoice have ran out of votes long ago (I did, and I don't even check Uservoice too often anymore).

Suggestions have been tossed around too many times - in and out of UV - and have not been taken in.

Now, I don't blame Fizzer, since as Plat mentioned it's one guy trying to handle a quite big thing, but sometimes we have to recognise what's wrong even when we don't really have many options on how to fix it. For one, I've suggested using low boot times with Banked time rather than a fixed 3d for the ladder stalling issue.

regardless of anything, uservoice is still the system in place to collect suggestions from the users on how to improve things, if you don't use it you're just whining. if you want actual change you should contribute using the proper channels.

So what I'm reading is that I need to find Uservoice so I can create a Uservoice entry to make Uservoice easier to find. Got it.

Community's thoughts:
Should this be allowed? Is this legal? If so, then should it be illegal? If not, then why isn't it legal? Is this an ethnic thing to do? How will the standards of WL be affected if this continues to go on? Why didn't X get banned for cheating on my daughter while Y and Z didn't? Where is the consistency on this website? Why isn't life fair? (like it most definitely is all the time)


Fizzer's thoughts:
How practical is it to implement this solution? Is it really worth interrupting my awesome WL development streams that average around 9 viewers each? Do I have enough space to fit this on my road-map or too much effort? Can I get sued for ignoring this problem?

Semice these "awesome streams" are really awesome. If you got questions, you can ask them directly there and also these streams are not exclusively for entertainment purposes but mainly for developing warlight on unity.

#Semice for WarLight police :D

regardless of anything, uservoice is still the system in place to collect suggestions from the users on how to improve things, if you don't use it you're just whining. if you want actual change you should contribute using the proper channels.

I am aware, but then again, as I mentioned, I did use Uservoice for a while. Ran out of votes, switched my votes around multiple times, none of the things that had my vote was ever made into a feature. Sadly, that's true for the vast majority of WL Uservoice users.

I have added suggestions, both in AND out of Uservoice, enough to know it simply doesn't do well due to the developer priority being somewhere else, and the fact Fizzer can only do this much, so only his priority (the infamous "immediate roadmap") gets pulled off.

Don't get me wrong, I love the unity client and new features, and Fizzer is extra-friendly while streaming, answers most stuff very quickly and such, but he's simply incapable of making everything we point him to. The reason I post on threads such as this pointing at the system is to, at the very least, mitigate drama over someone who doesn't really deserve to get heat for something that could've been long solved.

That was Rento's case, and now it's Gargamel's. That's the very least I can do not to end up having most players handling a blacklist bigger than the daily active base of WarLight, which essentially is where a game ends being dormant and servers closed.

Ive seen this type of stuff kill games before.

Enjoyable discussion that I decided to click on for some reason. Fun comments.

Uservoice - LOL. Is that still a thing? I get why Fizzer started it but it was always effectively useless. I don't care as I am just a casual player and I just take what WL supplies. For 6-7 years I've been able to adapt to every change in the game to my satisfaction, knock wood that continues.

Seems to me that if someone's gaming any part of the system, that should be impermissible. No need to penetrate to the twelfth level of analysis about it, really. I'm not sure what the enjoyment is in doing so, either, but then I also don't get people who cheat at online chess. :shrug:

Semice, you're hilarious, dude. (Meant in a good way - truly funny stuff.)

Just an FYI fizzer told them to stop...

Fizzer told them to stop giving him money? - you serious?

Interesting topic indeed. My Warlight-Forum search skills did not provide any previous threads about such practice - but I hardly doubt it was recently discovered and practised by only them? Quite an obvious "clitch" to achieve slight advantage with minimal costs to reap a better prize.

I never understood anyways how someone can have trust in Coin Leader-board at all? You can easily play with your friends, other Location/PC alts and just last minute transfer/surrender to increase one accounts "coins won". As long as the 10% cost does not exceed the benefit - this is relatively rational behaviour in economic terms.

Whether it benefits Fizzer in long-run, is profitable is not a concern players who use this practice. And if Fizzer wanted, he would have built different system - this flaw seems so obvious (and maybe even deliberate) just to increase the last minute - high-prize coin-transfer games.

Is it Legal? So common argument here, but does really someone in administration cares about small turnover PC-game with marginal profits? I doubt that, as long as its not used for money laundering and taxes are payed orderly. No one cares how fair it is.

I have never seen anyone walk up to casino host/owner and ask that: "Hey, I can count cards - is it okey for me to play Black-Jack here?". You just play and try to get away with cash till they figure it out!

@Rento
- If this kills the coin-system and maybe the game. Would it not be better to know it before, than later when some have invested their time/money in the game? Secondly, lets assume you achieve what you want, they stop, would not there be others to do the same - this is so obvious trick after-all. System should fixed, problem fixed - you cannot keep punishing after each season new group of players for this.

Edited 3/6/2017 13:10:41

mod being an elitist prick again i see

I think the conclusion here is nullify (guilty), for those of you who are American, the mere glance at this post can stop you standing on the jury at an upcoming case, innocent nullify only applies when a juror agrees that the crime has been committed but doesn't believe the criminal should be punished, in this case it is guilty nullify, where the player has done nothing against the law but they should be punished.