everyone go vegan and end teh animalz sufferni!!!!!!11one

also womans choice if she wants to kill 8month pregnancy with a viable kid kekeke

You kill animals with lives ahead of them. And they actually know that. Foeti don't

The difference is, beasts don't have human rights. Humans are just inherently superior to all beasts, and thus have universal rights as outlined in the Universal declaration of human rights:

Article 2.

Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

Article 3.

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

(http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/)

A cricket will never be able to love something (sex is not necessarily tied to love, just ask a prostitute), learn philosophy and ideology, or ever have freedom from instinct. A fetus will have those abilities, given the conditions of being in a womb and the person containing the womb be in good health, bar detrimental effects on said person. This is where the argument of a fetus being simply a 'cluster of cells' falls apart, as that 'cluster of cells' is capable of growing into something much more than what you imply, and a cricket (which is also technically a 'cluster of cells') cannot.

I don't see anyone wearing silk worms yet

If we're assigning rights based on potential, don't 500 million sperm cells have a whole lot of potential? Hell everything has some nonzero potential to gain sentience or have sentience we have not discovered- knowledge is limited and observation alone cannot yield absolute conclusions, especially not from a species with broken models of the universe.

If it doesn't *have* sentience, it doesn't have sentience. Period.

Morals based on potential future outcomes lead to policy paralysis, where you now have to consider that any mundane action you take carries the risk of fundamentally changing the course of history through some butterfly effect. It's incredibly specious to claim that, because something will be worthy of rights in the future based on some shitty rules derived by scientifically illiterate and ridiculously anthropocentric people, it should be equally worthy of rights now.

Abort a fetus and you aborted a fetus. Sure, someday it could've grown up to be a human who's protected by rights, but it isn't nothing but a fetus yet. And now that you've terminated it, well, it was never gonna be a human, then- it was gonna get terminated. No potential to lose.

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PLus it is not alive

Putting things in a a bin in a family home is evil because it is an application of family power

If we're assigning rights based on potential, don't 500 million sperm cells have a whole lot of potential

No they don't, left on their own in a natural state, they will never evolve into a higher being. A fetus, the product of a sperm and an egg will develop naturally into a person.

Morals based on potential future outcomes lead to policy paralysis, where you now have to consider that any mundane action you take carries the risk of fundamentally changing the course of history through some butterfly effect

There is a fundamental difference in taking a slightly different step than you would normally and deliberately terminating a person.

Question: If I can terminate a human a day before birth, why can't I terminate a human a day after birth? A week? A month? A year, decade or half-century? Is the act of birth what bestows rights, if so, could a person brought out of the womb via C-Section not be bestowed rights?

If we're assigning rights based on potential, don't 500 million sperm cells have a whole lot of potential?

It's not so much about potential, but rather that it is literally just a very young human who will grow up to be a not so young human if cared for properly (and this isn't unique to fetuses, all very young and very old people require care). If you leave a sperm cell in your testicles it won't do much, but a fetus will age and experience the changes that every human does with aging.

Sure, someday it could've grown up to be a human

No, it won't "grow up to be a human", it is already a human, just a very young one. Denying a human their universal rights based on age is pretty arbitrary in itself, not to mention that there is literally an entire section in the UDHR about how every human is entitled to their rights "without distinction of any kind".

^^^RUBBISH SHOULD HAVE RIGHTS IF NUTTS HAVE RIGHTS!

^^^RUBBISH SHOULD HAVE RIGHTS IF NUTTS HAVE RIGHTS!

"I like trains." - Stewie


My god.........we have found the chosen one. HE WILL LEAD US TO GLORY!

Let's follow his spread and damaged remains along the train track he was standing on. Legend says it leads to a pot of gold.

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I personally would not at all be pissed if I was aborted - I couldn't!

I pretty much agree with knyte - is having a thought of fucking, then choosing against it abortion?

I would say more but on portable.