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Multi-day ladder: 2016-11-10 16:38:17


Deadman 
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Glad you like it :) Keep plugging away. I'm sure the next win is around the corner ;)

I have logic which checks if a player is on vacation and automatically removes them from the ladder. This isn't tested though since I'm out of vacations :P

If you can stay on the ladder and test if you get auto-removed that would be great! If you want to be sure not to receive a new game, you can manually leave as well. Be sure to join once you're vacation is over, as there is no "auto-join" feature.

Edited 11/10/2016 16:39:09
Multi-day ladder: 2016-11-10 17:41:21


blat.be-bop 
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oki, I'll test it once it's time :)
Multi-day ladder: 2016-11-10 19:19:13


Farah♦ 
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It removed me once i activated vacation mode, so i guess that feature works
Multi-day ladder: 2016-11-10 22:57:19


TeamGuns
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Yea, this ladder is amazing. I'm not taking it too seriously and I'm playing it for fun. Got interesting games, and the fact that I don't know all the templates also breaks the monotony of games.

Thanks for this ladder!
Multi-day ladder: 2016-11-11 09:47:55


Deadman 
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Muli is going to help out with the CLOT as well. He's been getting to know how the CLOT works, and has delivered his first feature! You can now sort the game list on the player page by template, opponent rating or date.





The control to flip through the completed games has also been improved.


We have some features planned which we're slowly working through. If you guys have any feature requests or suggestions, please post them on the thread, so we prioritize accordingly.
Multi-day ladder: 2016-11-11 09:50:34

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Thanks MOTD, Muli and other people updated it!

Edited 11/11/2016 09:52:55
Multi-day ladder: 2016-11-11 10:26:59


Onoma94
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Do you plan to display clan icons next to nicknames? Small thing but I'd like it. :p
Multi-day ladder: 2016-11-11 15:18:18


ViralGoat 
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Yay, new features!!

I can now see that I've never beat a player above 1500 rating, damn! Anyone else see "Invalid Date Invalid Date" ?

Edited 11/11/2016 15:19:16
Multi-day ladder: 2016-11-11 17:04:24


Deadman 
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Do you plan to display clan icons next to nicknames? Small thing but I'd like it. :p
It's on our list. But has a lower priority than most of the other items.

I can now see that I've never beat a player above 1500 rating, damn! Anyone else see "Invalid Date Invalid Date" ?
I don't see this on my machines. We'll get in touch with you soon to figure out what's going on.
Multi-day ladder: 2016-11-11 17:16:12

Ollie 
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It's on our list. But has a lower priority than most of the other items.


you start to sound like fizzer and his not immediate roadmap! :D But honestly guys, great job on this ladder! The rotating template system makes it very enjoyable to play without getting bored of the same template all the time! Keep up the good work! :)

Edited 11/11/2016 17:16:37
Multi-day ladder: 2016-11-11 17:23:49


ViralGoat 
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Firefox version was old; updated and now it's fine (no more invalid date)

Edited 11/11/2016 17:24:28
Multi-day ladder: 2016-11-11 18:09:59


Deadman 
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you start to sound like fizzer and his not immediate roadmap!

:O. You just bumped the priority on clan icons now :P
But in all seriousness, our list isn't too large and most feature requests will materialize sooner rather than later.


@ViralGoat,
Glad it works for you now.
Multi-day ladder: 2016-11-11 23:41:17

Ollie 
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somehow i can't see anything from that latest update when i open the ladder page. Not on my laptop or my phone which use different browsers
Multi-day ladder: 2016-11-11 23:55:11


blat.be-bop 
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It sure was around the corner. Just got it in and I think I've got a second one on the way :-P But I hope Turtle doesn't see this post because I might pay for my overconfidence.

Edited 11/11/2016 23:56:04
Multi-day ladder: 2016-11-12 00:07:12


Deadman 
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somehow i can't see anything from that latest update when i open the ladder page. Not on my laptop or my phone which use different browsers
Try deleting your browser cache. You can also press Ctrl+Shift+refresh on Chrome.
Multi-day ladder: 2016-11-12 04:34:48


krunx 
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Awesome, may I ask for some implementations:

1. Clan Icons (HighScore)
2. Nation + option to sort by nation

I have two questions regading the elo-system:
Which value does K have?
How do you plan to make sure, that there is no inflation/deflation in the elo-system?
Multi-day ladder: 2016-11-12 15:58:59


Deadman 
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Awesome, may I ask for some implementations:

1. Clan Icons (HighScore)
2. Nation + option to sort by nation
Could you elaborate what you mean by highscore? We're working towards clan icons and that'll be available shortly. It is not possible to determine a player's nationality from WL APIs. I could try to go scrape player profile pages, but not too keen on that at the moment.


I have two questions regading the elo-system:
Which value does K have?
K=32.

How do you plan to make sure, that there is no inflation/deflation in the elo-system?
I picture this system as a "closed" one. The amount of rating points available are always proportional to the number of games played and the player count. When new players enter the system, they start at a base rating which fluctuates based on their performance. However, the points available in the system does not vary much.

The only case when points "leave" this system(which can lead to deflation) is when a high ranked player decides to leave the ladder and take their earned points with them. However, games expire every 5 months, so all these points are "returned" to the system after that.
Multi-day ladder: 2016-11-12 16:50:16


krunx 
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With highscore I ment: http://md-ladder.cloudapp.net/allplayers

However, games expire every 5 months, so all these points are "returned" to the system after that.


So the skill of a game will be redistributed after 5 month. How do you handle this exactly?

Is it like this

01.01.2017
A (1500) vs. B (1500) 1:0
=> A 1516, B 1484

30.05.2017
A: 1800
B: 1200

01.06.2017 (no games inbetween)
A: 1784
B: 1216


Or do you calculate new elo based on the not expired games (which would effect lots of other players)?
Multi-day ladder: 2016-11-12 17:05:31


Deadman 
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With highscore I ment: http://md-ladder.cloudapp.net/allplayers
Do you mean you want to see something different on that page?

Or do you calculate new elo based on the not expired games (which would effect lots of other players)?
Yes. Every 2 hours, I recalculate Elo based on unexpired games from scratch(assuming everyone is rated 1500).

Edited 11/12/2016 17:05:44
Multi-day ladder: 2016-11-12 17:23:59


krunx 
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With highscore I ment: http://md-ladder.cloudapp.net/allplayers

Do you mean you want to see something different on that page?


Would just be nice to have a column of clan icons and being able to sort players by that. Always nice to know which player belongs to which clan and rate clan activity (e.g. for those who are searching).

Or do you calculate new elo based on the not expired games (which would effect lots of other players)?

Yes. Every 2 hours, I recalculate Elo based on unexpired games from scratch(assuming everyone is rated 1500).


I am no expert of the elo-system, but this may result in the following:

automatism: players tend towards 1500 elo
a) I need to play a lot of games to get a high elo.
b) Players, who do not play a lot of games, may not be rated accurate.

At the one hand a) makes sure, only active players are ranked high. On the other hand activity may substitute skill-level in some way. Not sure how big this effect is, but it may depend on how big the player pool is.

No big problem right now, but a thing one should observe in the future. It also may take some time until the system is really balanced (as all started with 1500 elo).
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