If its a coin flip, as you said, then how can we trust your definition of consistency?

Also, thanks for the insult.

no problem, it´s just that if you persist on being stubborn while adding no relevant info to the conversation, it kinda ticks me.
it is not my definition of consistency. again, read the words precisely. it is consistency against
stronger
opposition.

(notice how this time i bolded the most important word from the whole phrase)

if you ask why do i think that it is more important to value wins against stronger opps (we can, hopefully, agree that people with more wins are stronger opps), well that´s something related to my own, personal, subjective common sense.

beating tougher opps is harder therefore more worthy. nothing complicated in that.

and to clarify, the game it self is not a coin flip, i said it was coin flippy , a term i had coined (puns galore!) on the fly.
to give an example, in a standard pick problem where the wasteland is not in europe or any of the 2-bonuses, the weaker players decides to pick europe and africa (or asia) because these pick enable him to take europe in two turns. Hero, on the other hand, takes the standard route of picking SA and AUS. Hero will get to north africa in two moves usually and will then have a coin flip in move three on what to do. the (nominally) weaker player can therefore force a flip situation onto the (nominally) stronger player. if he manages to defend for a couple of moves he will win.
Whereas a non-gambling player wouldn´t take that picking route, and would try to outplay the opponent mid-game.
if you didn´t understand what i´ve tried to explain it´s not a big deal (to emphasize, this is not an insult attempt, i´m honestly stating my belief that maybe 5 players here can understand what i´m trying to explain). but please, quit whining about pointless things. focus on your game skills. and such.

cheerio!

To be honest, whilst gogo has made some very good points, at the end of the day, 2 players with the same win loss record finishing on top of a group will always have at least one loss. Assuming 2 players each with just one loss in this scenario, one player must always have lost to the other top player, and one to a lower player. It would be ridiculous to place the player who lost the head-to-head between the two higher just because he had a win against a lower ranked opponent. This is why I always use head-to-head before looking at results against non-tied players, and I have stated as much very clearly in the league tie-break rules!

Edited 10/4/2016 23:39:21

if they only have those losses it is consistent with my point of view.

if i.e. they had 2 losses

assume A(7-2) lost to B(7-2) and C(1-8)
and B(7-2) lost to D(6-3) and E(5-4)

then i would place A in front of B regardless of their head-to-head. but that´s just my opinion.

gogo2711, in the case you described last, B should be winner - as huddyj said, first check head to head score then everything else (after total score, of course).

i wasn´t commenting on the rules. i was explaining my opinion on what the rules should be.

Group B has finished, and it turned out it was a perfect time to post tie-breaking rules :)

It has an interesting 4-way tie, and the outcome matters, as only 3 players get promoted to group A.

Players are TWOLKER (A), Leo (B), rocky1 (C) and mslasm (D)

A beat B and C
B beat C and D
C beat D
D beat A

This seems like a "#2. Head-to-head rule => Scenario 4A: 4-player breakable tie", with players as listed, am I right?

(btw, if we were to assume this tie is unbreakable, and use "#3. Overall Win-Loss Ratio" the result would be different I think)

Based on the spirited responses I generated, everybody seems to think it is not an unbreakable tie and that 4A fully resolves all issues.

Edited 10/6/2016 06:21:49

I would like to join this league please

No worries Archdruid, I'll put you down for next season.

Out next season please.

Ok, thanks for participating, Lukku.

Update coming soon everyone. :)

Group A: In Progress

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Arkanton (4-2)
huddyj (4-2)
Buns157 (3-1)
PanagiotisTheGreekFreak (3-2)
Master Bjarke (3-3)
iNsAnE (2-3)
Super Smoove (0-0)
PhucilliJerry (0-0)
Bonsai (0-6)

Not much progress since the last update. Master Bjarke beats iNsAnE and Bonsai to keep his chances of winning the league alive. iNsAnE beats Bonsai as well. Both PhucilliJerry and Super Smoove are into their 3rd vacation in a row and haven’t finished any games. Still anyone’s group to win...

Group B: Completed

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1st. TWOLKER (6-3)(2-1)(1-0) Promoting to Group A
2nd. Leo (6-3)(2-1)(0-1) Promoting to Group A
3rd. rocky1 (6-3)(1-2)(1-0) Promoting to Group A
4th. mslasm (6-3)(1-2)(0-1)
5th. indibob (5-4)(1-0)
6th. Lampião (5-4)(0-1)
7th. smileyleg (4-5)
8th. BlacKnight (3-6)(1-0) Relegating to Group C
9th. Gibs (3-6)(0-1) Relegating to Group C
10th. Pantelas (1-8) Relegating to Group C

A big tie between the top players in this group, with only 3 promoting. TWOLKER wins the head-to-head count-back to take top spot, while mslasm misses promotion. Unfortunately for BlacKnight, wins in his last 2 games couldn't save him from relegation, with Gibs and Pantelas heading down as well.

Group C: Completed

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1st. Hades (6-0) Double-promoting to Group A
2nd. Baer (4-2) Promoting to Group B
3rd. KingNorbs (3-3)(1-1)(1-1)(2-0) Promoting to Group B
4th. Matt431 (3-3)(1-1)(1-1)(1-1) Promoting to Group B
5th. ALE (3-3)(1-1)(1-1)(0-2)
6th. Kevin Turner (1-5)(1-0)
7th. kirdol (1-5)(0-1) Relegating to Group D

Another tie that affects promotions! ALE, KingNorbs, and Matt431 each 3-3. Ater the first tie-break tournament ended in another tie (1-1), they were finally separated in a second tie-break tournament, with ALE ending up missing the promotion to Group B. kirdol will be relegating to Group D.

Group D: Completed

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1st. DR. Love (6-1)(1-0) Double-promoting to Group B
2nd. Hunta (6-1)(0-1) Promoting to Group C
3rd. Ink Splatoon (4-3) Promoting to Group C
4th. Oh Noes (3-4)(2-1)(1-0) Promoting to Group C
5th. Rudolpha026 (3-4)(2-1)(0-1) Promoting to Group C
6th. ARand0mPlayer (3-4)(1-2)(1-0)
7th. Kent (3-4)(1-2)(0-1)
szwenk (0-7) Removed from the league for inactivity

With no relegations in this group (due to szwenk going inactive), it was all about the promotions. DR. Love got the double promotion. But once again, we had a massive tie that affected promotions. This time Kent was the unlucky player to miss out.

Group E: Completed

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1st. graemes (5-0) Double-promotes to Group C
2nd. AI (3-2)(1-0) Promotes to Group D
3rd. Andersault (3-2)(0-1) Promotes to Group D
4th. Semicedevine (2-3)(1-0) Promotes to Group D
5th. Ameter (2-3)(0-1)
6th. Leinad (0-5) Relegates to Group F

Well done graemes for winning this Group and gaining the double-promotion! With only 2 wins, Semicedevine is promoting, but he's going to have to show better form next season in Group D! Ameter just misses out despite getting a good win over AI.

Group F: In Progress

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1st. gogo2711 (8-0) Double-promoting to Group D
2nd. j willy 47 (5-2) Double-promoting to Group D
3rd. Jammyb'stard (5-3) Double-promoting to Group D
Corvus5 (4-4) Promoting to Group E
Pegasus (4-4) Promoting to Group E
BADA (3-4) Promoting to Group E
7th. Oilspotter (3-5) Promoting to Group E
8th. Winged Hussars (2-6)
9th. boorzuur (1-7) Relegating to Group G

gogo2711 did just what I expected and won this group with a very nice clean sweep. j willy 47 dropped 2 of his last 3 games, but will still take 2nd as he beat Jammyb'stard. Those 3 player all double-promote. BADA has booted 3 times, which costs him the chance to double-promote, however, since only the bottom 2 won't receive a promotion, he still goes up. Winged Hussars won his last 2 games to avoid relegation, but miss promotion. boorzuur had a couple of boots to finish off, and will relegate. We may have a tie between BADA, Corvus5, and Pegasus if BADA wins his final game.

Group G: Finished

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1st. Boomshank (6-2)(2-1)(1-0) Triple-promoting to Group D
2nd. Kaerox (6-2)(2-1)(0-1) Double-promoting to Group E
3rd. Private Pabse (6-2)(1-2)(1-0) Double-promoting to Group E
4th. Suschel (6-2)(1-2)(0-1) Double-promoting to Group E
5th. Dogberry (5-3) Promoting to Group F
6th. Cata Cauda (4-4) Promoting to Group F
7th. Coronel Gavilan (2-6) Promoting to Group F
8th. tomjh (1-7)
9th. mobtrio (0-8) Relegating to Group H

As I predicted, 4 players have tied on top of this group with 6-2 records! Boomshank wins the head-to-head countback and gets a valuable triple-promotion to Group D! The other 3 each receive a double-promotion to Group E. Dogberry, Cata Cauda, and Coronel Gavilan each receive a promotion. mobtrio is relegating to Group H.

Group H: In Progress

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Pardon77 (16-2)
Fc Bayern (15-3)
Green Turtle (14-5)
Ragnar Lothbrok (14-5)
Uki (13-4)
MoneyMakingMitch (13-6)
Joe Howe (11-6)
Mirage (10-7)
Hasdrubal (9-6)
Lukku (9-9) Leaving the League
Scrooge McDuck (7-7)
Cat Juggernaut (7-10)
Weatherman900 (7-12)
japan77 (6-3)
BelSon (6-11)
Bayern München is the best (6-13)
Apollo (4-14)
DerWyyy (3-15)
Captain Trips (3-16)
20th. The Supreme Mugwump (0-19) Removed from the league for inactivity

With the top 2 players receiving a triple promotion in this group, it looks almost certain that Pardon77 and Fc Bayern will get them. Uki or japan77 are the only other players with any chance of finishing top 2, though I'd say it's very unlikely they will. With Lukku leaving the league, everyone down to Bayern München is the best will receive at least a single promotion. The Supreme Mugwump will be removed for inactivity.

Edited 10/10/2016 06:29:43

Turn 14 Waiting on Scrooge McDuck for 6 days 18 hours. (Group H)

Not much a problem, but obviously it is delay (for next few days, of course).

I think it's japan77 who's really holding up the group. Scrooge has at least finished 14 games already. japan has only finished 9. However, you guys are amazing compared to Group A. 2 players haven't even finished a single game yet!!!!

sorry about that. I'm kinda getting killed by schoolwork, so while I still play double turns, they happen once every 3 days.

Hey huddyj, I'd like to comeback from my Small Earth retirement and participate in this league once more! So count me in for next season please!

Ok Ryzys, we'll race each other up to Group A. You may have heard that I'm pulling out of Group A and rejoining at the bottom next season.

Yes I have, I've been following this thread. Hopefully I can win the race to A, but it won't be easy!

I would love to join the league at the next opportunity :)