Making a new thread to capture all retirements across divisions and the make-up games as a result of them. I will update the first post with any new notifications from clans. Please do not spam this thread and try to keep discussion elsewhere. I would also urge all clans to declare their retirements in public, so that the affected opponents know that they do not have to spend time making serious picks on games which will be remade.


For the rules, see https://www.warlight.net/Forum/169082-clan-league-8-group-b-retirement


If your clan uses Rule 6 to declare a retirement

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• Please do so using one post on this thread.
  
• List all the games which you think are eligible.
  
• Since, a few clans have invoked this rule, I'm going to ask the clan leaders to create the make-up games and link them.

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The following games will be replayed. (Replacement game links provided as well)

Division A - Orinocoflows, Summer

• Strat ME 2v2

   GG vs Turtles - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11826668
   GG vs Master - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11826670
   GG vs WG - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11826671
  

  
  
• EU 3v3

   WG vs Turtles - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11891619
   WG vs French EU - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11900880 
  

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Division B - Jinxed, Txomin, Mr. X

• Battle Islands

   101st vs Memele  - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11719492
   101st vs SNinja  - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11751091
   101st vs kevin#1 - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11719489
  

  
  
• Guiroma

   101st vs farragut  - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11719501
   101st vs PJ017     - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11719517
   101st vs Metatron  - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11719497
   101st vs linberson - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11719512
  

  
  
• 2v2 China

   SNinja vs ONE!   -
   SNinja vs Stahl  - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11751080
   SNinja vs Blitz  - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11751076
  

  
  
• 3v3 Europe

   ONE vs REGL   - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11875283
   ONE vs VIW    - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11875289
  

  
  
• 3v3 Great Lakes

   ONE vs VIW    - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11875298
   ONE vs Blitz  - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11875302

  
  

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Division C - Angry Koala

• 3v3 GL

   CORP vs VS  -
  

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Division D - Gifer

• 2v2 China

  
   TJC vs TLW   - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11721569
   TJC vs Hawks - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=12079564 
   TJC vs FBG   - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11861885
  

  
  
• 3v3 GL

   TJC vs PoonSquad - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11721578
   TJC vs Olympus   - 
   TJC vs FBG       -  https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=12211894
   TJC vs TLW       -  https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=12079631
  

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I apologize for the inconvenience caused to all clans, players and scorekeepers involved. I'm confident that this wont be an issue next season.

p.s - If you have notified anyone on the CL panel about a retirement and I've overlooked you, please follow the steps above and I'll update the post.

Edited 10/30/2016 17:59:57

I know CORP had notified us that Angry Koala is retired. Please list all the eligible games here.

May I ask
2v2 China
TJC vs TLW and
TJC vs FBG
are already ongoing, isnt it?

The Wolves have also retired Semicedevine. Here's all of our eligible games:

@ let's fight
Those games hadn't begun by the time they reported it(in private).

@knyte,
Do you really have nothing better to do than troll every clan league thread? We get that you hate the competition. Just don't join it next time around and save everyone the trouble.


And we're grateful for that insincere apology as well.
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/168387-call-exclude-mhunters-community-events?Offset=108

That's odd, I didn't hear you apologize for lying through your teeth and making full-blown personal attacks against me when I'd only criticized your approach to running certain parts of the competition. Thanks for admitting it was insincere, though.

Anyhow, let me know when you reach a verdict on the Semice retirement.

Edited 8/5/2016 08:43:09

I haven't lied about anything. I've admitted I missed an IM from OxTheAutist and have apologized for it as well. You can go look it up. But that doesn't fit your agenda of painting all CL organizers as villains though does it?

^^^Alright

Edited 8/5/2016 08:45:53

Well, if you read my comments, you'd see that they don't fit your agenda of painting me as hateful. Hell, I've made it plenty clear that you're not the villain and that, on the whole, CL management is doing a pretty good job.

Anyhow, no need to get so worked up about this. I was just making a Rule 6 joke. Easier to just ignore it and move on than to derail this thread into a personal brawl.

Edited 8/5/2016 08:45:23

As per the definition of "declaring" (important parts in bold):

Someone can take over an account for a retired player if it is declared and they violate no other CL rules in the process (RR limit, 2 clans, etc). A player can also be replaced entirely in a tournament due to retirement (if you have no access to their account), but only in games not started yet.

With a supplementary

Any form of notification to the CL panel should do.

By this definition there's nothing that says a member of the clan has to make it known that the player is inactive/retired/MIA.

And as such, to get a respectful amount of replacement games for a clearly retired player, here is the absolute first undisputed notification that Angry Koala is gone.

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/159812-clan-league-8-division-c-official-thread?Offset=73

More specifically, here:



2 Angry Koala boot losses had already happened on Great Lakes, and 2 on Treasure Map. As such, there are only 3 on Treasure Map and 2 on Great Lakes (get to that later) to remake.

Treasure Map

• CORP vs M'Hunters https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11442099
  
• CORP vs BIA https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11442100
  
• CORP vs LEA https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11480854
  

Great Lakes

• CORP vs Hydra https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11580775
  
• CORP vs VS (game not started)

Although Angry Koala was booted in the CORP/LEA 3v3 Great Lakes game, CORP still won, despite having an AI teammate. That raises the question, is it really worth remaking a game that was already won with a handicap?

Although for fairness this game could also be remade if it means all the others would:
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11580776

Finally, if the rules suddenly change again right before I finish this post, I did directly inform Pushover at one point, but that was before I realised the previous declaration. In that case, only the CORP/VS (not started) Great Lakes game is remade- but that wouldn't be closer to the fairer option, nor the more realistic option because it was declared he was MIA before I sent the private one.

Corp should plainly be more careful who to pick to represent them.

I have a question about remake games, what if a clan doesn't agree to a remade game? What happens then?

What is MIA?

Missing in Action

Missing in Action. Its used for when someone goes missing like Angry Koala did this season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-Nw7HbaeWY

5/10 music

I have a question about remake games, what if a clan doesn't agree to a remade game? What happens then?

If the other clan informed in time and the CL panel decides that the game has to be remade, if the other clan doesn't agree, it loses the game.
The rules say that a retired player can be changed, and by signing in the CL8 your clan accepted the rules. Obviously you can be in disagreement (in group B happened) and that would be taken into account to change some rules for the future, but in the ongoing league it won't be changed.

Tbh I still dont like this replacement rule. At least not how it is now. It makes more problems than it solves.

Also
Clans with retired players get a second Chance, actually okay. But to at least the same conditions? If not even improved conditions?
-There is no deadline for calling their substitute. Or?
-Do they really get 2 chances for a win (like 'first it is tried with an AI to win and if it doesnt work we know how our opponent plays and we can try with a substitute', come on really?)
-By the first game opponents stretagy can be tested, like mentioned above, and that not by watching history of past games.

That are some things that are coming into my mind. I am not criticizing someone special, only the rule. But still I hope it can be improved somehow in this Direction for next League

Edited 8/5/2016 16:48:34

You don't get remakes, just replacements for all games that exit the pick stage after Rule 6 is invoked (but not necessarily after the panel delivers their verdict).

add USSR clan. Talk with my leader Kyger