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Why I'm ' Never Trump ': 6/10/2016 21:48:19


Wally Balls 
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More nonsense that did not address what I said and/or misrepresented what I said and/or misrepresented what took place.

I'm not 'leaving in a huff' it's simply pointless to try to have a discussion with you as you don't have an ounce of intellectual integrity. You're like Donald Trump, no matter what I say you just lie and lie and lie and lie. I'll pass on pointing out your lies some more just so you can then lie again.
Why I'm ' Never Trump ': 6/10/2016 22:23:11


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All I'm going to say is that refusing to have a discussion with someone and instead repeatedly insulting their intelligence is a much stronger implication that you're wrong than imaginary straw men.
Why I'm ' Never Trump ': 6/10/2016 22:25:21


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Why I'm ' Never Trump ': 6/10/2016 22:33:14


Wally Balls 
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All I'm going to say is that refusing to have a discussion with someone and instead repeatedly insulting their intelligence is a much stronger implication that you're wrong than imaginary straw men.


Imaginary? This is a straw man right here. I never insulted your intelligence. Not because it's not worthy of insulting but because that's getting into 'offensive language' territory and I'm not going to get banned for pointing out the blatantly obvious. Even you know it and I never said it.
Why I'm ' Never Trump ': 6/10/2016 23:38:44


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Trump's Racist? Well damn, put him on this list of racist people:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

Also, give me one example of something Trump has said that is racist and I'll give you a counter example.

Also, take this test. Get one question wrong and you are just as racist as Trump.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u5pnDkrCsDQ

Edited 6/10/2016 23:40:42
Why I'm ' Never Trump ': 6/10/2016 23:39:32


Wally Balls 
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How is Obama racist?
Why I'm ' Never Trump ': 6/10/2016 23:42:10


Benjamin628 
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If:

Trump + Wall = Trump hates Mexicans

Then:

Obama + ObamaCare/Welfare increases = Obama hates Black people, limiting their job options

Edited 6/10/2016 23:42:32
Why I'm ' Never Trump ': 6/10/2016 23:51:53


Wally Balls 
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Obamacare and welfare increases help black people. If you say the economic costs end up hurting those they are trying to help, 1) you might want to lay off the Mises.org articles and 2) that's not just harming black people, it's everybody who uses those services.

There probably is some way to call him racist but that ain't it.
Why I'm ' Never Trump ': 6/10/2016 23:52:41


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Welfare and healthcare doesn't prevent anyone from working benjamin. That's non-sense. While the wall in Mexico is specifically made to try to prevent immigrants from comming. You're comparing apples and oranges.


About Trump's racism:



Give me a counter example to that, I'll love to read it.



You can find 8 other outrageous things he said about latinos in: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/9-outrageous-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-latinos_us_55e483a1e4b0c818f618904b
Why I'm ' Never Trump ': 6/10/2016 23:54:13


Benjamin628 
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Yes, giving them free shit really helps them in the end. Making people dependent on government services is not helping them at all.

I have never visited Mises.org

@Team1984, what is the point of getting a job when the government pays you? We both agree (hopefully) that having a real job is better than the government paying you, so why don't they get real jobs? Because the government isn't investing in job making when it is investing in paying people who don't work and who won't work unless forced.

I'll have to re-watch that part of his speech. I do not believe that quote one bit.

Edited 6/10/2016 23:57:57
Why I'm ' Never Trump ': 6/11/2016 00:06:23


Benjamin628 
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Trump is saying that the Mexican government is purposely sending bad people so they don't have to deal with them. Watch the whole thing.

There has been talk since World War 2 to implement US + Mexico + Canada into an EU style Union. Bush talked about it, Clinton talked about it. Trump hates that idea, and the wall is the symbolic destruction of that, the MSM doesn't want it, the Establishment doesn't want it, they hate Trump. The dude is not a racist, and if he is, then so are you and so is everyone else. Saying the Mexican government is sending its worst is NOT racist.
Why I'm ' Never Trump ': 6/11/2016 00:10:25


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Anti-poverty measures hindered the decline of poverty in America. For a while, poverty was declining one point per year until LBJ enacted his anti-poverty programs, at which point poverty declined started to decline at a slower rate. Anyway, if you're getting money from the government and you can sustain yourself that way, there's no reason to get a job. I've seen this first hand with relatives on welfare and it made them dependent on the government because it became their primary source of income.
Why I'm ' Never Trump ': 6/11/2016 00:14:49


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Anti-poverty measures hindered the decline of poverty in America. For a while, poverty was declining one point per year until LBJ enacted his anti-poverty programs, at which point poverty declined started to decline at a slower rate.

Source?
Why I'm ' Never Trump ': 6/11/2016 00:27:51


Benjamin628 
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Why the war on poverty was a big waste of money and did minimal/no effort to increase the rate of poverty decrease:

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2014/09/the-war-on-poverty-after-50-years



Edited 6/11/2016 00:30:20
Why I'm ' Never Trump ': 6/11/2016 00:37:12

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Truly the alt-right is everywhere now.
o/ alt-right
Why I'm ' Never Trump ': 6/11/2016 00:58:09


DomCobb
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@Benjamin628
Did the standard stay constant during the entire period, or did it change?
Why I'm ' Never Trump ': 6/11/2016 00:59:37


Benjamin628 
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Idk

Well that link says somewhere in it "adjusted for inflation"

Edited 6/11/2016 01:00:47
Why I'm ' Never Trump ': 6/11/2016 02:40:51


Жұқтыру
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Anyway, if you're getting money from the government and you can sustain yourself that way, there's no reason to get a job.


It depends on how much money and in what shape you get it. You could argue gaol is a shape of welfare, but most folk do not want to go to gaol, even though they can "sustain" themselves very easily.
Why I'm ' Never Trump ': 6/11/2016 03:02:57


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The war on poverty = Another failed Johnson program
Why I'm ' Never Trump ': 6/11/2016 03:19:02


Benjamin628 
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I'm not sure how me saying Obama is racist as a counterexample to the OP agreeing with everyone he was fighting
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