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AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/12/2016 13:48:30


Buns157 
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The highest ranking points (the maximum is 19000)
1840 - MIFRAN
1755 - MoD
1485 - Buns


You made a slight mistake somewhere in your last update text.

Thanks for the regular updates, its a fun league.

Edited 10/12/2016 13:48:54
AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/12/2016 14:03:33


Ekstone 
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I don't think there is an issue :)
Good! (RigidGodfatherLook smiley)

Joke aside, @DR. Love (or Buns), I am really waiting for the exact issue with the event levels, because I don't fully understand it.

Ok, now the 250 Series events are not really easier than even the Grand Slams (only one thing, -1 game needed for win) because the most TOP players always join and play :D
So same difficulty level but only about 10% of the obtainable points (2000 points for a Grand Slam event win, and only 250 for a 250 Series event win, or 45 points for 1 game win in a Grand Slam, while need 3 wins in a 250 Series event for 45 points!)

But hey, why do you join to the 250 Series events? :P
If for pure fun, then HF :D
If for some more records beside the fun, then GL&HF :D
But for points not really worth.

The 12 major events are the core of the Rankings, and from these, there are four highlighted events (the Grand Slams) which are the most important in Ranking point of view. If you want good rank, you should play on the 12 major events, and on some (mainly 500 Series) smaller events for the best six results, and that's all. Of course, if you have enough time, you can play in all events, but mainly for fun.

I think this system is good, because not very much time or games needed to reach the top of the Rankings.
If you are very good, and want to get the first position, you have to play during one year maximum (or less if you win all events where you joined :D ) and play only on 15-20 single elimination tourneys (with 64-128 players) during that year.

Eh, too much speech again :D
Put it more simply, major events for Rankings, smaller events for fun :D

@Buns: yw and corrected :D

Edited 10/12/2016 14:05:27
AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/12/2016 14:18:19


Ekstone 
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If u want to make all tournaments counts for the same amount of points, the hole system would be almost similar to the current WSOW, just with more tournaments ongoing.
I don't agree. The main difference between the WSOW and the Tour, that the WSOW has got a beginning and an end (and there are seasons), but the Tour hasn't got an end :D
It is similar than the 1vs1 ladder just using tournament formats :D
AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/13/2016 08:47:12


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Ok, seems there is no serious problem with the present tournament levels (DR. Love sent me private mail), great. But if still it is any with it, please anybody feel free to write here (better than private mail, because we can discuss it with more players).

Ok, so no problem with the event levels, but we have one with the present expiration rule.
My partner, PJ drew my attention to it (so more organizers = better series) :D

My original plan was that all results will be expired on the next year Monday when the given event started (for example an event started on the 30th week of 2016, then all results from that event will be expired on Monday of the 30th week of 2017).
But in an extreme situation, possible that a result never counted :O I mean the case when an event doesn't finish in one year (so the event results will be deleted before some of them (finals) can be counted :D )

PJ proposed this expiration system:
The points could count untill the next year's equivalent tournament is finished?
Meaning the points earned in Grand Slam #3 2016 stay finished untill Grans Slam #3 2017 is finished.
The points earned in Grand Slam #3 2017 expire when Grand Slam #3 20178 is completed..
I like it, seems better than the old one. Ok, in very extreme situation still possible the issue above, but the average time while a result can be alive will be exactly 1 year! And it is true for all results, I mean, now, it is very varied, earlier round results live much more than the final points for example, in the new system this will be unified for all results!

But it is associated with the present Rankings and updates (pretty big) changing too :O

I mean, in the present system, if you win a simple game on any Tour event, on next week Mondays it will be counted to your ranking points immediately.
But in the new system, there will be monthly ranking list instead of weekly (because though if 1 event start in every week, average 1 event will finished per weeks, but that is only average, there will be weeks where no any new finished event, so no sense to make weekly ranking lists, but likely always will be new finished events in monthly base.). Plus if you win a game on any Tour event, it will be counted only after the whole event will be finished!
So in the old system your all wins counted on the next Mondays, in the new systems your wins will be counted in the next month and only that case if the given event will be finished until the end of the present month!

And of course, the present Rankings will be changed a lot too :O
I will remove all the points from events which haven't finished yet, and remain only the points from the finished events (we have 7 finished events so far, and 12 started one so...)

But the good news that administer this new system is much much more simple, so I will have more time for improving the Tour or create other stuff, because though I liked to work on the updates a lot, but it used up all my Warlight time :|

I post here this, because before we change the system I am interested in your opinions.
Because some present weekly statistics and records will be ceased or replaced with monthly based ones, and the weekly updates will be ceased too in the present format (there will be monthly news instead of it, and likely will be shorter news between them too)

So what do you think about it?
AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/13/2016 09:32:05


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Just two examples to further this:
1) Player x lost in the final of grand slam tournament #4 in 2016 and earned 1200 points. These points will expire when grand slam tournament #4 in 2017 is finished. If player x did not join that tournament or went out in the first round, his/her point total will drop by 1200 points. If he or she instead wins the 2017 tournament, this will be awarded with 2000 points and a net increase with 800 points.

2) Player y won the first 500 Series in 2017 (500 points), but did not join the first 500 Series in 2018. When the 2018 tournament is finished, the 500 points expire and will be replaced by the next best performance of that player in a 250 or 500 Series. In the best (and rare) case, this will be another win in a 500 Series event. In that case there is no net change in the total points. In the worst case, there is no other 250 or 500 Series in which that player earned points. In that case, there is a net change of -500 points.

Edited 10/13/2016 09:40:11
AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/13/2016 10:05:43


Ekstone 
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Very good examples, thank you PJ!
2) Player y won the first 500 Series in 2017 (500 points), but did not join the first 500 Series in 2018. When the 2018 tournament is finished, the 500 points expire and will be replaced by the next best performance of that player in a 250 or 500 Series.
Some more details:
...will be replaced by the next < not already counted > best perfomrance...
(so actually by the 6th NOT EXPIRED best results :D )

And the 100th post belong to me yeah :D
AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/14/2016 16:56:57


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Regarding example 2), do you keep track of every player's 500 and 250 results? If you only write down the best 6 results, you might have some problems next year when some of the 6 best performances will get replaced. Rather than going through every tournament one by one, for every replacement, it might be better to keep track of everything right now.

Anyway, I think this new system is a great idea! Unless you find a way to somehow automate the process, doing monthly updates is probably your best option.
It will significantly reduce your workload if you only update the tournaments that ended during the month. And it will keep things fair for players who are still waiting for their 2nd game, while other players have already completed 3 or 4 games.


Also, since we're discussing rules, I think you should implement a rule against players stalling or playing too slowly. There are many complaints regarding this problem on the tournament chats, so it's probably best to address it as soon as possible.
I'm not saying we should change the 3-day speed or not allow players to go on vacations. But the AWP World Tour was always designed to have fast tournaments (hence the single-elimination format rather than the fairer double-elimination), and I believe we should keep it this way.

On the seasonal ladder wiki, it is written that "Players are expected to make a reasonable effort to finish a game before the season ends.". Well, it should be the same on the Tour. Players should be expected to make a reasonable effort to quickly finish their game, if that game is clearly stalling the whole tournament.
And if a player doesn't make that effort, or can't make that effort because he has a busy life, then perhaps he should stop receiving invites before he finishes his game.

(I'm not attacking anyone here, I'm just saying that the spirit of this Tour is to have a lot of fast tournaments, and we should try to preserve it. :) )

Edited 10/14/2016 17:01:07
AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/14/2016 17:54:10

MIFRAN
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+1 Rak.
AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/15/2016 05:05:04


Ekstone 
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Regarding example 2), do you keep track of every player's 500 and 250 results? If you only write down the best 6 results, you might have some problems next year when some of the 6 best performances will get replaced. Rather than going through every tournament one by one, for every replacement, it might be better to keep track of everything right now.
Of course, every results are registered and stored. My plan is, I will archive and share here the monthly Ranking Lists, and after every year, I will do a year archive, and share it here too, and in that google sheet will be visible all the results of the players from last year, not only the best six results :) (in the monthly archive will be only the actual best six results though).
Anyway, PJ and me are working on the FAQs, where everything will be explained, for example these topic and expiration mehtod too.
Anyway, I think this new system is a great idea! Unless you find a way to somehow automate the process, doing monthly updates is probably your best option.
It will significantly reduce your workload if you only update the tournaments that ended during the month. And it will keep things fair for players who are still waiting for their 2nd game, while other players have already completed 3 or 4 games.
Well, we will see :D
I mean, everything has its pros and cons :D I will try to compensate the cons of this change :D

About your last theme, I read this tournament chat (I guess you wrote about this one):
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=20496

I simple copying here my posts:
Great, the first drama on the Tour :|
Many reactions here were not the right way, imo :(
Well, we have an issue, let's try to solve it in a CONSTRUCTIVE way!
@Thanatos: the players came here not for eating cookies but competing. The main goal of the Tour is the fun for everybody. Including you Thanatos, but everybody else too.
@Guys: help us to find a consructive solution instead of impatient drama posts (or trolling :P)
First of all, we should investigate wheter how slow Thanatos is actually? I mean, compared to the other slow players, he is really extremely slow? :O
And I suggest, that we continue this on the forum, easier posting and reading imo (and rakleader already started the theme overthere)
Ok, now I have to go, later I will check the slow players on the Tour what is the exact situation with this.
AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/15/2016 08:13:39


Ekstone 
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Ok, I did a quick check on the google sheet, and collected the finished games for some players.

Finished games of players who joined to 9 tourneys so far
18 - Pedro Luiz, Swisster
13 - mm3100, Pushover, JV
11 - ACL Tears
5 - Thanatos

Finished games of players who joined to 8 tourneys so far
16 - Min34
15 - USA Biches
12 - pip, Oh Noes, ThePlayer
11 - AI
10 - Matt431, Olivix
9 - awesomeusername, Onoma94
8 - Boubou

Nackickwind was mentioned as a really slow player, so I checked him too:
16 finished games on 12 tourneys

Ok, maybe this isn't the perfect statistics, but definitely shows that Thanatos really plays extremely slow. Slow players, like ACL Tears or awesomeusername (or Nackickwind) still have got 1+ finished games/joined tourneys ratio, while, after a very big gap, Thanatos has got only 0,56.


@Thanatos:
I don't want to tell you how you play Warlight at all, but what do you think, is there any possiblity to change your playing speed on the Tour? Maybe play 2 turns when you check your games, not only one, or I don't know. You know your playing habits and your schedules so only you know is it possible or not :O

And I am clear with that you didn't hurt any Tour rules, and always somebody must be as the slowest players, but check the second slowest players, is it possible that somehow you reduce that really big gap?
AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/16/2016 03:02:37


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Posting everything I said in the tournament chat over here as well..

1) You have to realize, as said before, that nothing good will come from either side. Both sides feel they are right. 2) If you are now admitting to "playing slower" cuz people "piss you off" then you really do have issues. You are letting people get to you, and it honestly shows your self weakness. Its not funny or cool to react that way to anybody, but yourself.

And nobody is asking you to change the "way you play" persay, they are asking you to be respectful to the other waiting players of the xxx tournaments you are in.

This tournament started 45 days ago, and you are on turn 14, thats 3 days average per turn. You literally have to play almost last second every turn to make that number happen. Even playing a turn on the same day as another would make turn 14 impossible for this day.


Just about every time you go into a game you have the ability to do 2 turns... he is not doing this. He is playing his turn, and returning to the game 3 days later. There's no way to even deny that. The math shows.

Edited 10/16/2016 03:06:40
AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/16/2016 05:37:40


Ekstone 
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Thx for reactions Mr. Nobody, but seems Thanatos won't use the forum, only the tourney chat, so I finished this theme here.

Ok, then let's see the new ranking system :D
I made retrospectively the monthly Rankings, based on our new ranking system (see above).
  • July 2016
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/178m7QCXcijnyYcEkOzFjqMZFW5e_BU7kO7Cofcc4fqA/pubhtml
    The TOP10 players on the Tour after the first month:
Rank	Players					Total points	Win-Loss	Win%	Tourney
1	Buns157					250		4-0		100	1
2	Don [ Ω ]				150		3-1		75	1
3	ANT					90		2-1		67	1
	PanagiotisTheGreekFreak			90		2-1		67	1
5	culpa					45		1-1		50	1
	Maréchal Lannes, duc de Montebello	45		1-1		50	1
	master of desaster			45		1-1		50	1
	Oh					45		1-1		50	1
9	13CHRIS37				0		0-1		0	1
	Beren • apex				0		0-1		0	1
	Boubou					0		0-1		0	1
	DanWL					0		0-1		0	1
	Hades					0		0-1		0	1
	KKND					0		0-1		0	1
	Muli					0		0-1		0	1
	Wini					0		0-1		0	1
    Because it was the first started and first finished event, and it was only a 16 players tourney, everybody was a member of the TOP10 :D

    And, these 16 gentlemen are the Founding Fathers of the Tour :D
    (btw, I didn't remember that Panagoitis and Beren was joined to the first event :D )

  • August 2016
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11ujmg9_5dUm6n8y3CAux8smAz2P8cfTIqmbMzwtYdJU/pubhtml

    Because there wasn't new finished event in July thus the same Rankings as July above.
    So congrats for Buns that he held the first position for 2 consecutive months ;)

  • September 2016
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1npNf8GLinoGDi9vWg_F_kctVoMqy82MK5-eH8rGoW9A/pubhtml
    The TOP10 players on the Tour after the third month:
Rank	Players			Total points	Win-Loss	Win%	Tourney
1	master of desaster	695		9-2		82	3
2	fireice82		300		4-1		80	1
3	Buns157			250		4-0		100	1
	MIFRAN			250		4-0		100	1
5	FlyingBender		180		3-1		75	1
	Tac(ky)tical		180		3-1		75	1
	Krzysztof		180		4-2		67	2
	ANT			180		4-3		57	3
9	Don [ Ω ]		150		3-3		50	3
10	Botanator		90		2-1		67	1
	INSIDE			90		2-1		67	1
	mm3100			90		2-1		67	1
	PanagiotisTheGreekFreak	90		2-2		50	2
	13CHRIS37		90		2-3		40	3
    Here you can see MoD's domination phase on the Tour :D

  • October 2016
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LeGbs6zGhkct3c3O2AXcByOPSVpQFys6oB9KH_QhbPA/pubhtml
    The TOP10 players on the Tour after the fourth month:
Rank	Players			Total points	Win-Loss	Win%	Tourney
1	master of desaster	945		14-3		82	5
2	MIFRAN			815		12-2		86	4
3	Buns157			450		8-3		73	4
4	PanagiotisTheGreekFreak	350		9-5		64	5
5	rakleader		320		5-4		56	4
6	fireice82		300		4-2		67	2
7	Beren • apex		295		6-2		75	3
8	Krzysztof		270		6-4		60	4
9	Nackickwind		225		5-2		71	2
10	FlyingBender		180		3-1		75	1
	Tac(ky)tical		180		3-2		60	2
	13CHRIS37		180		5-5		50	5
	ANT			180		4-6		40	6
    Still MoD's reign, but MIFRAN and Buns were coming :D The "Big Three" on the top here already :D

    And Beren and Nackikwind are in the TOP10 in this new ranking system (they never were a member of TOP10 in the previous system :O (I mean statistically, because both of them are very good players :D ))

  • November 2016
    are coming in November :D
    (at the latest on the first Monday morning of November)

    Until then some spoilers :D
    • As you already know, Buns won the 12. AWP World Tour - 250 Series - Macro Land event.
    • Fresh news, that first Grand Slam was finished, and the winner is MIFRAN!
      Very big congrats to him, with those 2000 points, his reing will start :O
      Congrats also for the other 7 players in the different final levels, all those positions meant big point prizes for them ;)
    • Two other events are in the final phase, only 2 remained games, so good chance they will be finished even in this month:
      • 9. AWP World Tour - Masters 1000 - Treasure Map
        Panagiotis vs FlyingBender in the last semifinal, Buns is waiting for the winner in the final.
      • 3. AWP World Tour - 250 Series - France LD
        Buns vs Muli in the last semifinal, Krzysztof is waiting for the winner in the final.





Edited 10/16/2016 05:42:19
AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/29/2016 04:49:45


Ekstone 
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I would like to announce a change in the invitation system.

Starting next month, I will use a four steps invitation process:
  • On every Mondays I will create the forum topic and the tournament of the given weekly Tour event, and
    • invite the actual TOP25 players (TOP50 for major events!) from the Ranking List
      The Ranking List will be udpated monthly based, always before the first Monday of the actual month, so I will use this Rankings for invitation for all Tour events in the given month.
    • invite 10 other players (20 for major events!) are chose by me (giving them Wild Card)
  • On every Tuesdays
    • invite the actual TOP50 players (TOP100 for major events!) from the Ranking List
      This mean those players who haven't invited already on Monday, so it will mean 15-25 (30-50 for major events!) invited players in this step (depends on how many TOP50 (TOP100) players invited by Wild Cards on Monday)
    • invite 10 other players (20 for major events!) are chose by me (giving them Wild Card)
  • On every Wednesdays, at previously announced exact hours, I will invite every remained players from my invitation list.
    • If you are in that list then you will receive a tourney invitation, and the only what you need for the participation is to join asap, before the event will be filled.
    • If you aren't in the invitation list yet, but would like to play, then you need write here (or send mail to me) until 10 minutes before I send the invitations, and I will add you to the list and invite you to the tourney.
    • If you are in that list but don't wish to receive further Tour invitations, write here or any AWP topic (or send mail to me) and I will remove you from my invitation list. Later you can rejoin at anytime, I just don't want to spam anybody.
  • On next day when the event filled and started (it will mean likely on every Thursdays), I will create the Challenger tournament (with the same template, and with 32 players), and invite all players who didn't join nor decline the "main" event.
    These Challenger events only start after the smaller (64 players) events.
Ok, let's see, what does this mean in practice.
  • For major events (Grand Slam, Masters) with 128 players
    The first two days of the week, 120-140 players will be invited (the TOP100 plus 20-40 Wild Cards)
  • For smaller events (500 and 250 Series) with 64 players
    The first two days of the week, 60-70 players will be invited (the TOP50 plus 10-20 Wild Cards)
Based on the present accepted invitation rate, it will mean, that about only 10% of the spots will be remained for Wednesday (this is 50% now).

In exchange, Challenger events will be created after the "main" events, and will be invited all players who didn't able to join to the main.
Of course, you can gain points (which counted in your best six) from these Challenger events too:
  • 80 points for the winner
  • 50 points for the final
  • 30 points for the semifinals
  • 15 points for the quarterfinals
  • 5 points for the Round16
Furthermore, the two players in the final will win a Wild Card for the next Masters event, and the two other players in the semifinals will win a Wild Card for the next 500 Series event! These Wild Cards will use on Tuesdays.

Edited 10/29/2016 04:51:52
AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/29/2016 04:49:45


Ekstone 
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Somehow duplicated my post, sorry.

Edited 10/29/2016 04:56:20
AWP World Tour Magazine: 11/2/2016 05:40:40


Ekstone 
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My plan is that in the future, will be separated "unofficial" Rankings updates and posts in the news topic here, after every finished Tour events (only different between the official and unofficial updates, that will be one official updates per month, and all Tour records will be based on these official monthly updates only)

But now, I will put the 4 finished events in October in one post.
  • 12. AWP World Tour - 250 Series - Macro Land

    It was already part of the last weekly news, but congrats again to Buns for his second event win!
    And congrats to Min34, Botanator and Don [Q], all of them did a very nice run on this tourney!
    Here are the TOP16:



    Btw, I won't use this template in the future (very luck related)


  • 3. AWP World Tour - 250 Series - France LD

    Aaaaand, this event finally finished :)
    Congrats to Krzysztof his first event win!
    Here are the TOP16 (which means all the player here :) ):

And now about the first two finished major events!

  • 9. AWP World Tour - Masters 1000 - Treasure Map

    Congrats to FlyingBender for his first event win, and he is the first Masters champion!
    And congrats to DemHunt(UA) too his nice run in this event (Buns and Pana just did the expectations, but congrats to them too :D )
    Here are the TOP16:




  • 7. AWP World Tour - Grand Slam - Old 1v1 ladder

    A very big congrats our first ever Grand Slam winner to MIFRAN! And this was his third event win already!
    Congrats to DR. Love for his amazing run too!
    Nice performances by Milly and ps as well.
    Btw, 3 of the TOP4 were a surprise for me :O This first Grand Slam was the event of the upsets :D
    Here are the TOP16:
AWP World Tour Magazine: 11/2/2016 05:43:58


Ekstone 
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Official Tour Rankings and Tour records updates - November
AWP World Tour Magazine: 11/2/2016 05:56:03


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Amazing, thanks for the update :)

I don't seem to be on the ranking list anymore ... O_o
AWP World Tour Magazine: 11/2/2016 06:05:14


Ekstone 
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yw!
Yes, you need a finished event to be on the Ranking list in this new system.
But don't worry, you will get Wild Cards until it ;)
AWP World Tour Magazine: 11/2/2016 06:14:10


Corn Man 
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Ah! Got it.
AWP World Tour Magazine: 12/2/2016 04:56:46


Ekstone 
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Well, there wasn't any finished events in November, but seems will be many in December (many tournaments are in the final stage missing only last 1-3 games only)
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