The Semice statements are weird; he's both vaguely confessed to it and directly denied it. Honestly, it's possible that he's just taking credit for a bunch of hijackings he didn't commit to build a reputation as the guy behind every hijack.

I looked at The Lone Wolf yesterday, and one thing I noticed was that The Lone Wolf plays from Maine while Semice plays from South Carolina- perhaps Semice does consistently use a proxy/VPN, or they just aren't the same person and Semice took credit.

If The Lone Wolf is an alt, it's a rather well done one; the mail history was way too fleshed out for the average alt.

you could have removed his MR way before as we both knew how dangerous Achilles could be

I did not have the authority to remove Achilles' MR. That was up to Kazuki entirely. He was in charge of appointments/removals to the GC as well. Like I said, his failure at that position- having an mostly-inactive GC for over a month, having MR in the wrong hands- is why I left.

Edited 5/19/2016 15:59:16

What I don't understand is how the wolves think they can both keep Semice in the clan and maintain "respected clan" status at the same time.

I see that more as a one or another decision.

If Semice has violated Warlight policy, let Warlight handle it.

Right now:

- There's no confirmation that Semice was even responsible for the Royal Entente hijack

- Semice denies responsibility and involvement

- At least one previous hijack-alt claimed to be linked to Semice (The Lone Wolf) is very clearly not associated with Semice

- People (like Colonel) are accusing Semice of two other hijacks (Bakkah Mecca and some other irrelevant, mismanaged RP clan) that were confirmed to be linked to someone else entirely

Even then, given just pointed fingers and vague statements, the Wolves have placed sanctions against Semice and will take further measures if any real evidence pops up.

But then here comes the mob again, telling us to straight-up kick out Semice before the investigation's even completed.

Yeah, no. If that's what it takes to have "respected clan status," we don't care for it. If The Lost Wolves are going to lose whatever reputation we have while utterly mismanaged clans like Royal Entente get to play the victim card and ignore their own leaders' role, if any attempt to talk about Colonel's failure to take the simplest security measures and Fizzer's utterly botched attempt at intervention/rescue, then I'm even glad we're lacking the "respect" of this community.

Y'all are just walking into this conversation with the axiom that the Royal Entente's leadership is some sort of victim when they're clearly not- and when someone directs your attention to Colonel's obvious misunderstanding of how Manager Rights work, you call it "victim-blaming." You don't just get to say "take-backsies" on Manager Rights and pretend that completely invalidates your transfer- when you give someone MR, you're completely acknowledging that they could do anything with them. That's why every sane clan keeps their MR under very tight control, and that's why you only see these "hijack" issues in dysfunctionally-managed clans.

I'm out. There's no point to this discussion. If you have an issue, take it up with Fizzer instead of applying mob "community pressure" for vigilantism.

Edited 5/19/2016 20:18:38

Totally with knyte on this one- stop giving him shit over keeping a valuable member who we aren't even sure did anything wrong.

Regardless of who contributed to this mess, the only one with an agenda, and the only one who was planning on causing problems was semice. As far as i'm concerned he's where most if not all the blame lies.

The problem is that neither you nor him are doing anything. What little punishment you have given means close to nothing.



@knyte

Edited 5/19/2016 20:43:49

Wtf do you care how much he is punished. Like knyte said, there is no solid evidence concerning Semice's involvement, so it's silly to boot out a valuable member because "we think you did this one thing".

Who said anything about booting?

plus he claimed to do it on several occasions. Even giving specific examples.

keeping a valuable member who we aren't even sure did anything wrong.

@Epicular
Did you pay attention on Semice's statement or not?
Another point that goes against Semice is that I was invited to RE, and I had the occasion to check their forum, what I found there is that Semice made a thread encouraging RE members to leave their clan for Wolves, tell me what's the point of this then?

I looked at The Lone Wolf yesterday, and one thing I noticed was that The Lone Wolf plays from Maine while Semice plays from South Carolina

he could have used VPN and proxies easily to hide is identity. Frankly I do not see how you could not think about it.

That was up to Kazuki entirely. He was in charge of appointments/removals to the GC as well. Like I said, his failure at that position- having an mostly-inactive GC for over a month, having MR in the wrong hands- is why I left.

As I said earlier, Kazuki is very permissive, and you could have told him your idea about removing Achilles earlier from management I am sure he would have understood, Kazuki is busy IRL this is also why he was often inactive, but frankly how can we criticize him about it? You are very harsh with him whereas he gave you a chance to manage a clan and a first experience for free.


And I do not see why you keep believing naively about what Semice says, the fact that he "denies" does not mean he is not behind it.
Many things goes in favor of Semice being the true hijacker more than the contrary, not only because he is well experienced in that matter (with his previous alt), but because he had a very troubling statement (explain me why he said this?) and also the last thread he made in the RE forum encouraging RE members to leave their clan for the Wolves just after the hijacking, imho it rather seems to be a cunning move, taking advantage of the trouble he made in that clan to attract more people to his own clan.

Edited 5/19/2016 21:06:57

I had an invite to RE two days before the hijacking happened. I doubt that was Semice's doing.

Because really, I was LORD HACKER I/I hate this game. I hijacked RE. :)

you could have told him your idea about removing Achilles earlier from management I am sure he would have understood

I actually did ask Kazuki about removing Achilles' MR. He didn't even agree to it after the hijack.

Edited 5/19/2016 21:11:29

Semice... I guess you had a lot of fun with this hijack, you ruined a community of people, a clan that had done nothing wrong during its existence, are you proud of this?
I blame Colonel for his poor management, but I blame more the one that had the stupid and selfish idea to hijack this clan just for the pleasure, if you are really behind this Semice as it seems to be, shame on you.

@Semice
Koala still has a point though- your statement he mentioned earlier does put a very very suspicious light upon you

Still I agree that clan leaders are ultimately responsible for giving out MR to people who clearly do not deserve it. Sure, it sucks that your house got robbed, the robber is an awful guy, but you were the one who left the door wide open.

I actually did ask Kazuki about removing Achilles' MR. He didn't even agree to it after the hijack.

Prove it.

What about the alleged conversation colonal had with the alt that claimed to be you? And even tried to get member to join lost wolves.


And saying the alt instead of my alt does not prove shite.

Prove it.

Odd you're not saying the same thing about Semice hijacking RE. All you have is a vague confession from someone who's been known to inflate his image as a "the person who hijacks every RP clan," and you're already saying he's using a VPN to hide an account he's already claimed is his.

Both you and madking are now asking Semice to prove his innocence. By that standard, everyone is guilty.

And at the same time, when I mention something you should already know about, you ask me for proof. It's amply documented in the old CORP Gunjikomon Council, but I guess it makes sense that you never read it. I protested multiple times against Achilles having Manager Rights there. Specifically on these pages- including literally my very last post in the Gunjikomon Council as a reason for leaving:

https://www.warlight.net/Discussion/?ID=93912&Offset=80

https://www.warlight.net/Discussion/?ID=93912&Offset=100

https://www.warlight.net/Discussion/?ID=93912&Offset=140

(you should still have access to the chat on your (retired) account; if not, in the CORP Clan Forum I've linked copies of the entirety of CORP's private Gunjikomon communications that I still had access to)

You certainly can't claim I was complicit when I brought up the issue multiple times and even went behind Kazuki's back to remove Achilles' MR when he wouldn't budge.

Edited 5/19/2016 21:25:41

"the alt", it is not implying at all it wasn't "YOUR" alt, and even if it wasn't yours, it actually means you were at least behind it at some point with a possible accomplice.

Frankly, we can't never be 100% sure it was you or not (only someone like Fizzer could know who did it, but I guess it is really not worth it to bother him about it), although by that awkward statement you made (+the incentives you made to RE members to join Wolves) I do not see how you could not be implicated on it.

Koala, it clearly wasn't Semice. I've made a much less ambiguous confession: I was the one who hijacked Royal Entente.

I have no access to this discussion Knyte sadly. But show me a screen shot of that discussion and I would believe you, you know I wasn't active at all during that period, so I can be indeed wrong here.

"Quit making things up "

What the actual fuck?

"Both you and madking are now asking Semice to prove his innocence."

Now who's making shit up?

I'm claiming he's guilty, but i'm not trying to get him to prove his innocence.

@knyte and semice

Even if you were behind it knyte, Semice's statement proved he was also implicated as the main hijacker OR an accomplice, frankly it does not change anything about it, Semice should be ashamed about it, and you too if what you say is true knyte.