France is NATO associated and American allied. Did you miss 2000-2016?

nope 2000-2016, it is rather actually 2008-2016 (when Sarkozy finally joined France to the NATO's commandment after 40 years of boycott). Anyway don't you think the whole thread has massively derailed?

Well yes, when you're losing the argument and decide to say that the thread shouldn't be argued, I agree , but only because it's quite tedious.

wats funny that in usa there r few million jobs open

no1 filling them in...

200k open manufacturing jobs...

plenty of jobs everywhere...

the question is who actually lost the argument? I am not the one that derailed it. It is almost a circular argument now anyway.

*claiming that I'm bad in many ways (scantily supported)?
Do you deny this? So you are claiming you aren't bad in many ways? Oh wait yes, you are indeed claiming you are better than others, even judging them with your erroneous and gratuitous claims and telling them how bad they are compared to you.

I'm not denying anything (yet), just trying to get it right. Which you appear to confirm, though there's so much zeal, it's hard to tell.

**irrelevantly claiming that I'm wasting my time (some support)?
already gave you some support, by the time you took to post you different walls of text, but well you ignore what you want to ignore, a common behavior seen among hypocrites.

I literally said that you have some support for this, and I was actually going to say originally (at least you've some support for this), but changed it as I did not want to be pretentious - such selfrestrain, you lack.

**claiming that I think I've argued flawlessly here (no support at all)?
You only provided here again your own opinion of yourself (very narcissistic). Without letting others what they really think about you.

I said that I was likely to be biased, that I'm definitely not infallible, and encouraged adding snarks about me - in which you've not, but somehow still find the gall to say I'm very narcissistic and arrogant.

*You're wanting that I help you learn how to argue in a logic, polite, and likeable way?
Well most of the people wanting to help others would indeed try to be logic, polite in a likeable way, is this that hard to conceive this for you?

It's not hard to conceive. That's why folk I often disagree with it, like Eklipse and DDB, they still have high thoughts of me since I rarely see them do snarks, and I, like a classic Juqster, very arrogantly and narcissitically believe that they have good thoughts of me as an arguer for (not) doing the same.

"Xy and I disagree on almost everything, but he's one of few people who I actually enjoy arguing with on the forum most of the time"

Now, it's not since I'm racist to French folk or anything, so why do you think it is that I've never had an enjoyable (in the same way - it's enjoyable to keep watching your weak argument (totally supported, not insult, as you'd agree) fail, but differently) argument with you?

Smedley acknowledge 16 points - can you? Maybe you should wield some other totally unbacked claims about me as well, like I zealously hate women and all Africans?

That said, an easy repentance from you for your vanity and meanness, and I shall repent in kind to whatever it is that you said I was, and I will go over each point and tell you how to fix them as you wish (don't say I'm condescending here, this is what you want) (lesson 1: knowing is half the battle).

can u guys stfu and go on topic

Answering your comments again is rather pointless juq since it turns to be always a circle argument and derailing further away this thread (incredible to see a waco here making more sense), and a total waste of time for both of us, I will just answer to this:

why do you think it is that I've never had an enjoyable (in the same way - it's enjoyable to keep watching your weak argument (totally supported, not insult, as you'd agree) fail, but differently) argument with you?

Where did I mention this?
If you read more carefully my previous posts some months earlier I clearly stated that we could have good discussions together. What isn't "enjoyable" is what you were currently doing: judging others in a bad patronizing tone, like you are (believing yourself as) a reference. Hence you accumulated all the flaws you were criticizing before: pretentious, arrogant, condescendent, insulting.
I would rather have peaceful arguments with you, no wall of text of pointless claims nobody would read, bitching around with words that were said earlier, whereas you could do well to take a look in the mirror or look in your own backyard before starting criticizing others.

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Answering your comments again is rather pointless juq since it turns to be always a circle argument and derailing further away this thread

1. circular arguments mean that you support an unproved claim#1 with an unproved claim#2, and unproved claim#2 with unproved claim#1. This is a flaw of one side only.
2. threads don't have rails.

Where did I mention this?

You didn't say anything, but it's pretty much impossible to argue informally and likeably with you, in my happenings. I haven't seen anyone say they like arguing with you, but seen many who like arguing with me.

judging others in a bad patronizing tone

Actually, the original purpose I made it was just to poke some fun out of a heating debate, though I can see now that maybe it sounded patronising, maybe.

If you read more carefully my previous posts some months earlier

Yes, I recall, and they were patronising as crap, but I'm not actually against the thought, but you are way too snarky.

You didn't say anything, but it's pretty much impossible to argue informally and likeably with you, in my happenings. I haven't seen anyone say they like arguing with you, but seen many who like arguing with me.

Well it is impossible to argue actually with you either, as I noticed you particularly are unable to reassess yourself and keep making headway. Ask yourself why many people also hate to argue with you (perhaps you ignored this, then it's time for a revelation!).
Again rather funny to see you are saying "people like arguing with me", how many people really like actually this? 1-2 people? And I Guess you haven't seen anyone that said they like arguing with me because basically you aren't part of the chats were we usually discuss together, and if you aren't part of it, it is mainly because many people do not want to see you participating here (Andrés, Pablo, Chuck Norris, most of CORP, and some others in game chats, but also mail chats made by Belgian and others where you aren't invited at all), seeing how boring it can be to argue for some stupid things (spelling of Galiza and stupid arguments for hours as a good example), you get stuck with some stupid arguing sometimes tbh. Anyway as I said, we can have decent conversations together too but sadly they are too rare.

This is the last comment I make about this since all have been already said, and nothing good is coming from it as usual. Good night Juq.

I think that Eklipse and DDB are good folk to argue with everyone, they're open-minded, but not to pretensy or straight insults. Here's some more folk who I argued with.

*Imperator, I don't like arguing with for a totally different ground (seems like we misunderstand each other's points very often); he also knows that he gets pointlessly zealous, as is natural when arguing, and says sorry for it - far better than what many folk, or you can say.
*JaiBharat, looking back, maybe one of best folk to talk about American polit, despite being nationalist and a little narrow-minded (but not too much, it wasn't very noticeable). *A foe with different thoughts, Pulsey, a little pretentious and pretty narrow-minded, but out of all the folk who disagreed with his thoughts on Trump, I, despite being a bit unjust, was the only one who he actually said was ok, contrasted to all the other arguers. *GeneralPE, say what you want, but he's not really zealous, I doubt he would have much bad to say about me as an arguer.
*Death, though never truly argued, I said some pretty arguable and mean and injust things - for example, when he posted that Polish stereotypes map with Belarus, and had something about Belarus and Ukraine should go back to Poland, I zealously criticised him for being a Polish irredentist and nationalist. He explained he wasn't, and was very good-hearted about the thing, and he's definitely a fellow in my games to invite, though rarely, since he's cutting down MD games. He used to think from rumours that I was a very mean and unenjoyable fellow to talk with.
*Then there's DDJ, who despite having many disagreements and even heated arguments, said "If you don't like Xpapy.... you need to talk to him more".
*TeamGuns, a socialist (sorry, middle-left*) who used to be pretty pretentious like you in arguments, but stopped, and ever since then, he's a fine enough fellow to argue with, he righted his mistakes, on invite list.
*OxTheArtist, though no true arguments since the great Scotland debate of 2015 (in which I was injust, and he was more forgiving for that than I would be), some small arguments that resolved quickly from open-mindedness.
*japan97, though we don't agree, I'm a bit more arrogant, but otherwise, fine enough, we don't really know each other, but I can attest that he's a good arguer who will only wield fire to fight fire (like on this thread).
*Cata Cauda. I stay calm, he stays calm, we argue nicely, trade some outlooks.
*knyte, though strongly hates what I stand for and is very confident (cocky), is likeable enough, I think he could vouch that I'm a likeable enough arguer behind what I argue.

Now, I definitely know I have haters, probably since I'm a rabid, foaming-at-mouth misogynist and racist and fascist. So let me see the ones you've listed.

*Andrés, ask him the specific ground that he blacklisted me. It's pretty bigoted.
*Pablo García, what? No problems there, we chat, we disagree, we even get exasperated, but we keep calm. 4/5 his friends hate me, though.
*chuck norris, what? No problem there, we definitely disagree on many issues, but we keep calm, I think he could say I'm a likeable arguer.
*most of CORP. I've not talked to most of CORP, I don't recognise most names. Besides yourself, name a few CORP haters of me.
*mail chats? Is Eklipse and Fleecemaster hated by Belgian, too, for not being invited to them? We just don't really like the nonsense, or I don't, and don't participate, and I just keep my post for weightier things, not winking all the time.

Now, let me suggest folk who actually hate me. Here's a gamish game. https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9453691

Don't load the chat, it will crash your computer. Anyhow, this is how the rumour that I'm racist and womanhater got started. I heard someone say that blackskin Africans are more violent from naturally higher melanonin levels in blood -> I say this -> Everyone goes mad, calls me racist -> I take this back, once disproven -> I'm still a racist. Anyhow, bunch of leftists here, you can message some of them, they'll tell you tales of how I advocate for genocide of all Africans or something.

how boring it can be to argue for some stupid things (spelling of Galiza and stupid arguments for hours as a good example

I didn't actually find it boring, seman is interesting enough, but more torturing you and your insistence on Galicia, to the point of not even accepting that Galiza is valid, too (which it is...).

we can have decent conversations together too

Not since before you "retired" have you been decent.

What is this cancer?

It appears to be a thread about teaching cancer master.

can u guys stfu and go on topic

we r talking about wages and teachers

should they b paid higher??

ya why not u can get in a lot of high quality teach who wouldnt normally teach

Well, there's also the problem of the US not really having the money. The US mostly prints money, extorts it or borrows it, while not folk are ok with this, remember, the US has a huge debt from this crap.

If I may tell your own major flaws: You tend to take things at face value without any hindsight, get butthurt for nothing, and take it too seriously, whereas it is only a forum where random people share their opinions, somebody like me can be against your views, we can argue about things calmly between civilized people, instead of what you just did yesterday, constantly denigrating what people say arrogantly, without any actual positive approachs like helping others how to fix their "flaws", if even such flaws actually exist (since most of what you claimed was wrong as I easily proved earlier).

Again Juq curb your "virtual" narcissism (people can be really different IRL): you were again answering yourself alone what people think about you, without actually having their own opinion, you speak on their behalf, so tell me how is it relevant?

And I never said at all you had only flaws, and I do not know who said you were racist or nationalist but this is totally wrong about you.

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Major, what do you think about teachers working in private schools?

If they suck at their job, it's the consumers problem, if they're good at it, it's the consumers benefit.

Education before mandatory education in America was more a cheap thing where someone in the community who was literate and/or could do math would teach it to a son, daughter, or other family member, the family member would teach it to others , and it went on.

This was cheaper and actually a bit more effective, because unless the government kept you from learning (if you were a slave), you would usually be able to learn for either free or for a cheap fee.

Remember, many states had literacy rates above what they are now, and comprehension was through the roof. Pretty much everyone would read something, whether it would be a novel or political manifesto.

what are the actual statistics about children studying in private schools in the US?

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Well, there's also the problem of the US not really having the money. The US mostly prints money, extorts it or borrows it, while not folk are ok with this, remember, the US has a huge debt from this crap.

we got the money. lots of it. we are da ruler of world. most of the debt is owed to US citizens. debt isnt how it works with u and me. US debt has always paid the debts like da lannisters. ppl like US debt because it is a safe investment

its a benchmark. considered the nearest thing to risk free

the usa doesnt borrow money cus it need it. ppl borrow money cus they want

da world is ok with this system. there r no other countries that r safe enough. russia? ya no. china? ya no. europe? look at eu. uk? has no intrest. any one from africa? lolno. Middle east? lolno
south america? ya no. australia? no interest

wats left is the USA.

but ofc u wouldnt know that. u dont know the first thing about econ 101

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