So you admit that the education system is so bad that they can't fix poverty, or illiteracy, without help from the parents that the system alienates from the children while making the children hate any kind of education including education from the parents, and only a self-educating populace independent of the government can successfully fix these problems?

Well, state worshipping atheism is disgusting. Normal atheism? It's not that bad.

in France you can stop freely at middle school (with the consent of your parents of course), and major I never said education could not fix poverty or illiteracy, but sadly parents have also a huge responsibility in the failure of their children.
Anonym, if you do not like "public schools", you have the private ones, and even islamic ones in Europe, your family has the choice of your education, so if you are not happy ask them to change. People complaining constantly and whining for no reason, this is really pathetic tbh.

Well sorry bud, but atheists are a sizable chunk of the population, so you're outgunned, by at least a AK in a shed in Texas. Good news though, the others while particularly violent, ironically love disarming themselves, so you should have less trouble with them.

Yeah the main part is on the parents. Public schools are just mostly useless stuffs, if they're mandatory or just bad at their job, but if they're paid for non-coercively , I don't see a problem with them.

Again overgeneralizing, all public schools aren't bad, it is a rather simplistic view again major.

Panda, if they can't change the life of a child in a positive manner, they aren't good.

And Juq your comment about "researchers" and "scientists" getting less paid, I would like to get your source first before commenting it.

I never said that, all I said was that a teacher probably should not be as much paid as a scientist.

Snark leaderboard:

Koala: 28

1*do you think that is normal too? (pretentious)
2*Easy to criticize others when you do not know what you are talking about. (insult, pretentious)
3*I fear your comment is wrong here. (pretentious)
4*Admit it Major what you are advocating is pure socialism (pretentious, false)
5*generalizing is rather stupid and childish. (insult)
6*If you paid attention I said I was not socialist (false, pretentious)
7*I am actually quite unaffiliated picking from different ideologies (circular argument, also false from my happenings)
8*your comments show that you are (unconsciously) supporting the worst socialist policies, since you are against meritocracy. (circular and unsupported claim)
9*You are constantly contradicting yourself here. (unsupported)
10*try to respect your own ideology please. (pretentious)
11*Again Major your opinion is purely irrelevant here since it is not objective at all, the fact that your own teachers supposedly suck, does not mean every teacher sucks. Your argument is weak here. (insult, unsupported, also doesn't know what "opinion" means, it's French word, not even English...)
12*you change your mind like a wind vane aren't you? (pretentious)
13*you are defending a wrecked socialist policy (insult or false (can't be both))
14*stop whining and being mad for nothing. (insult)
15*They deserve their salary, unless you want to live in a Marxist World, where everyone is paid the same. (false narrow)
16*Sadly they are anyway low paid, so I do not get why you are arguing about it socialist texan boy. (unsupported, pretentious)
17*you have to ask yourself why (pretentious)
18*instead of criticizing a profession that you know nothing about, judging them behind your screen with a totally extreme Marxist biased view, you should see how this profession is one of the hardest one (insult, pretentious, unsupported)
19*Not my fault if you "lowered your standards" (pretentious)
20*how is this logical? (pretentious)
21*Again you are pissed by your own teachers obviously (unsupported, probably false)
22*Only Marxists such as you are happy to see low workers are paid as much as a teacher/professor. (unsupported claim now passed off as axiom, pretentious)
23*generalizing it to the whole population of professors/teachers is really idiotic and childish. (insult, unsupported)
24*You are basically against meritocracy, and supporting a Marxist utopian policy. (unsupported, probably false)
25*And you are pissed by your teachers so you are generalizing (as usual since you do it also for other threads), I often wonder why you are so prone to generalise. Generalisations are seldom if ever true and are usually utterly inaccurate. (unsupported, insult, pretentious)
26*People complaining constantly and whining for no reason, this is really pathetic tbh. (insult)
27*Again overgeneralizing, all public schools aren't bad, it is a rather simplistic view again major. (pretentious, unsupported, insult)
28*Mmmh, let me check these points you made would you. (pretentious, probably (whether known or not) false)

Smedley: 16

1*Right now they use anti-economic freedom policies (buzzwording, passing off a claim as an axiom)
2*Screw off, Sheriff of Nottingham. (insult)
3*Screw off (insult)
4*you're trying to destroy the economy (probably false, so insult)
5*You're advocating for the folk with the most guns to be the ruler of the world, you violent prick. (probably false, so insult)
6*You are advocating for the most violent folk with the most weapons to rule society.(ditto)
7*The poor have benefited greatly from these jobs and enjoy a higher standard of living than in most countries, why give them more money that they haven't made, when they don't need it?
8*so you've been funneling billions of dollars for decades into a education system , encouraging every person ever to get into college by propaganda and giving folk money to get a college degree, and now that your education system that has taken huge amounts of money (immorally and through force) and brought you a result that you absolutely hate (false)
9*are you going to admit that maybe throwing huge amounts of money at the problem while demonizing blue collar labor is a bad idea? (pretentious)
10*But you don't pay attention, guess that public schooling really worked out for you, huh? (pretentious)
11*just screw off you dumbarse. (insult, unsupported)
12*So a man with a doctorate degree should be able to make a huge wage even if he does nothing? (pretentious)
13*So a man with a doctorate degree should be able to make a huge wage even if he does nothing? (passing off a claim as an axiom)
14*come on, 14% of the US population is illiterate because of these folk. (false, narrowminded)[/i]
15*So you admit that the education system is so bad that they can't fix poverty, or illiteracy, without help from the parents that the system alienates from the children while making the children hate any kind of education including education from the parents, and only a self-educating populace independent of the government can successfully fix these problems? (pretentious)
16the others while particularly violent, ironically love disarming themselves, so you should have less trouble with them. (insult/unsupported)

japan97: 3

1*I'm a junior in BC calc, and expecting a 5 on the test(I cleared the bar by 15 AP points on the practice exam with no review) (some kind of American bragging)
2*socialist propaganda, excuse me? (pretentious)
3*you can shut your mouth (insult)

Ocular: 2

1*Teachers really ought to be payed more here in the US. They have difficult jobs that are extremely valuable for the community, yet they get treated like shit. (basing a claim on an axiom)
2*She didn't get paid well at all. (probably false, as later proven)

Edited 5/13/2016 01:09:20

X, governments are monopolies of force, they have a surplus of arms, equipment and soldiers ready to fight, and therefore I do not see how it's a false statement.

None of that is intrinsic to governments, several governments don't have all this stuff you just said.

Even places like Panama still have it, maybe not any armies, but they still have police and have laws that violate folk's rights.

All Panamanian government forces have combined about 45k guns. The civilians have combined, 450k. I really am not seeing any monopoly.

They have the monopoly of using violence unjustly, mass extortion being one example.

Mmmh, let me check these points you made would you.


1*do you think that is normal too? (pretentious)

Tell me how a simple question is pretentious here? Isn't your own behavior here rather pretentious too?

2*Easy to criticize others when you do not know what you are talking about. (insult, pretentious)

Insult? tell me what could be qualified as an insult? Do you see any offensive language?
And pretentious about what? I said earlier my own father is a teacher, I have a sufficient knowledge about it, don't you think it is pretentious to overgeneralize all the time like you do and Major?

3*I fear your comment is wrong here. (pretentious)

Not pretentious at all, I even used the CONDITIONNAL.

4*Admit it Major what you are advocating is pure socialism (pretentious, false)

pretentious? do you know what this word means at least? And false well sure, you are defending him, but you have then to explain me why it isn't pure socialism.

5*generalizing is rather stupid and childish. (insult)

Not an insult, I did not again used any offensive language as Major did earlier ("screw off", "screw you", "dumbarse"). Just making a statement which is not really false since generalizing is quite stupid and childish.

6*If you paid attention I said I was not socialist (false, pretentious)

False? So now you know better myself than me? (some people would say it is here indeed very pretentious here Juq)

7*I am actually quite unaffiliated picking from different ideologies (circular argument, also false from my happenings)

false? Got to explain me again how you know better what I think (pretentious X2 Juq)

8*your comments show that you are (unconsciously) supporting the worst socialist policies, since you are against meritocracy. (circular and unsupported claim)

Unsupported claims? well it is what you are currently doing since none of your claims here were right for the moment, how is mine unsupported? He is supporting and even precised unconsciously some socialist policies, he denies it, that's all right, but still being against meritocracy is part of Socialist ideologies (the worst ones).

9*You are constantly contradicting yourself here. (unsupported)

He was indeed contradicting himself? Do you need a specific source to back up my claim? Gosh stop being childish Juq, read the chat.

10*try to respect your own ideology please. (pretentious)

It was actually just an advice, but I guess you aren't a model either here Juq, so this advice could also apply to you.

11*Again Major your opinion is purely irrelevant here since it is not objective at all, the fact that your own teachers supposedly suck, does not mean every teacher sucks. Your argument is weak here. (insult, unsupported, also doesn't know what "opinion" means, it's French word, not even English...)

Opinion was the right word, Major only gives his opinion not any objective facts, aren't you the one not knowing what "opinion" and "objectivity" mean?
Tell me again where are the insults?

12*you change your mind like a wind vane aren't you? (pretentious)
Nope, realistic, but the truth hurts him like it hurts you Juq, I also noticed it.

13*you are defending a wrecked socialist policy (insult or false (can't be both))

Insult where again?
False? well nope he was indeed defending equal salaries which goes against Meritocracy.

14*stop whining and being mad for nothing. (insult)

Well that was rather harsh indeed, but no offensive language, hardly conceive it as an insult (unlike "dumbarse" or "screw you")

15*They deserve their salary, unless you want to live in a Marxist World, where everyone is paid the same. (false narrow)

False, everything is false when it goes against your own biased views, right Juq?

16*Sadly they are anyway low paid, so I do not get why you are arguing about it socialist texan boy. (unsupported, pretentious)

Low paid it is, if you read carefully I even said how much teachers in France were paid, but well it is easy to omit what you do not like and again give your own biased and wrong claims.

17*you have to ask yourself why (pretentious)

pretentious? a part of sentence is "pretentious"? paste it at least entirely before judging pretentiously.

18*instead of criticizing a profession that you know nothing about, judging them behind your screen with a totally extreme Marxist biased view, you should see how this profession is one of the hardest one (insult, pretentious, unsupported)

where are the insults?
again I can speak from my own personal experience: my father.

19*Not my fault if you "lowered your standards" (pretentious)

You tend to use "pretentious" but I am seriously wondering if you know what it means?

20*how is this logical? (pretentious)

Again tell me how this question is pretentious.

21*Again you are pissed by your own teachers obviously (unsupported, probably false)

I have to admit here I made myself a personal opinion, but you made one too, "probably false" isn't neutral at all, pretentious claim Juq!

22*Only Marxists such as you are happy to see low workers are paid as much as a teacher/professor. (unsupported claim now passed off as axiom, pretentious)

Sarcasm? Ever heard of it Juq?

23*generalizing it to the whole population of professors/teachers is really idiotic and childish. (insult, unsupported)

Insult? Give me again the offensive words please.
Unsupported is rather irrelevantly made here, how saying "generalizing it to the whole population of teachers" is "unsupported, it is rather common sense.

24*You are basically against meritocracy, and supporting a Marxist utopian policy. (unsupported, probably false)

Both pretentious and unsupported claim made by Juq, tell me how you know it is "probably false"

25*And you are pissed by your teachers so you are generalizing (as usual since you do it also for other threads), I often wonder why you are so prone to generalise. Generalisations are seldom if ever true and are usually utterly inaccurate. (unsupported, insult, pretentious)

Insults? Tell me again where are they?
It is unsupported as for the statement I made about his teachers (only my opinion here indeed), but you have to tell me how is it pretentious to say "I often wonder why you are so prone to generalise. Generalisations are seldom if ever true and are usually utterly inaccurate"?

26*People complaining constantly and whining for no reason, this is really pathetic tbh. (insult)

Again show me the offensive language I used?

27*Again overgeneralizing, all public schools aren't bad, it is a rather simplistic view again major. (pretentious, unsupported, insult)

Pretentious, unsupported, well it is more like it is you here, how can you caution overgeneralization? And tell me how is it unsupported? He said public schools were bad, obviously all aren't bad, again common sense, you are the ones that have to tell me how all schools could be bad, your claim Juq and Major here are indeed unsupported.
And insult, well as usual tell me how is my language offensive here again?



Conclusion:

27 points, 27 wrong points, congrats Juq, you are a champion in wasting your time for really nothing. Making self supported claims and personal opinions, acting in a very condescending and arrogant manner with nothing relevant to bring to the debate. Impressive work.

TL;DR Panda, but if I had to guess, your snark count just doubled.

Panda , I am advocating not paying folk who are bad at their jobs (this has been proven through statistics) and are indoctrinating the youth. You are advocating continued socialist indoctrination of the youth and more money and benefits for the indoctrinators. You are the only socialist here.

Edited 5/13/2016 00:33:28

Jew teachers get far too much money to indoctrinated people especially young whites.

TL;DR Panda, but if I had to guess, your snark count just doubled.

Oh, I'll go over it all later, but right from sentence#1, that's already another pretensy.

"Mmmh, let me check these points you made would you."

Grounds for inclusion (so there's no confounding):

*mmmh, some kind of grunt, as if being subjected to hard work, oh it is so terrible, but i am right and everyone else is wrong, and i gotta right everybody all the time, since i'm always right.
*let me - well you are let already, this is just true pretensy.
*check - maybe you're too vain to see this, but you went on to discredit 27 points. Logically, do you think that you're so calm and objective and I am not (despite not really being in the argument) and/or dumb. You justified "stop whining and being mad for nothing." by "no offensive language, hardly conceive it as an insult". If you mean argue against, or clear your name, say these things, but checking? I heavily doubt this was.
*would you - another pretensy, same kind as "let me" you're not asking me anything, didn't even put a frain mark in.

Edited 5/13/2016 01:07:59

X learn english you hooked nose freak.

I think people should always spend the large part of their days pointlessly attempting to impose their opinions on other strangers on an online gaming site about political ideologies.