Islamic culture is a problem that needs to get solved.

Ja! Ve needz a final zolution to za Izlam problem!

I re-read your first post and I am a bit confused. Do you propose deporting/relocating all Jews from Israel or only Zionists? Also, you kind of hinted that the proposal is bad but then you said that it's islamophobia to criticize its proponents.

I do not support the forced deportation/relocation of any Jews from Israel/Palestine, even Zionists. I am trying to point out that the Zionist lobby in Britain is trying to control British politicians even though they make up less than 0.1% of the population.
I was using the word Islamophobia to check the use of the word Antisemitism. Unfortunately the point I was trying to make was proven correct by the reaction to my use of the word.
I pointed out that if criticising the actions of the State of Israel in Palestine is Antisemitism, then criticising the critics of Zionism may as well be called Islamophobic.
This pointed out the blatant bias of most people.

As an American Jew, I say this:

I want a 2-state solution. Both peoples have equal claim to that land. Pushing one group completely out of the way is unacceptable, regardless of Israeli or Palestinian.

But the problem is that the borders of those two nations would be a nightmare. And similarly to the partition of India and Pakistan, certain people will be "on the wrong side of the border", and people will be forced to leave. And some will die as they try to leave.

But, the Palestinian region of Gaza has not shown its itself to be a reliable, stable nation which is willing to work with its neighbor Israel. Gaza has launched rockets, Israel has bombed possible terrorist targets. Both side says they are doing the right thing, and thousands are dead on both sides.

I think that Jews deserve a state in Palestine as much as the Palestinians do. Deporting one group out will not work.

Now as an American, I can't say much on the political issues brought up in the starting post. But let me tell you this:
I'm fine if you critique Israel. Both sides have done terrible things.
Saying Israelis have no right to have their own state is the same as me saying such for Palestinians.

In the US, we have Jews like me who are willing to do a 2-state solution, Jews who are a bit more moderate, and Jews like the ones mentioned in your first post.

By the way, I did not know you were a Muslim, Cardwell.

And similarly to the partition of India and Pakistan, certain people will be "on the wrong side of the border", and people will be forced to leave. And some will die as they try to leave.

That doesn't really make a big difference; the region already has a massive refugee crisis.

But, the Palestinian region of Gaza has not shown its itself to be a reliable, stable nation which is willing to work with its neighbor Israel.

Yep. Literally under Hamas control right now. Obviously, it's a positive feedback loop because of the situation Gaza's in, but that also makes the safest move for Israel to just carry on their current program.


You also can't just analyze the current situation without considering the history since 1947.

there shouldnt be a two state solution

only a one state solution

after all the jews need more land to live in

palestinians had their shot for a deal

now there is no time for mercy

why show mercy to terrorists?

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Ja! Ve needz a final zolution to za Izlam problem!

You sound just like that Jew-hating hothead Knyte. It's almost as if you were the same person.

I do not support the forced deportation/relocation of any Jews from Israel/Palestine, even Zionists. I am trying to point out that the Zionist lobby in Britain is trying to control British politicians even though they make up less than 0.1% of the population.

You have yet to prove that Zionists control the media. Firing people who propose mass deportations of innocent civilians is only normal in Western democracies, no need to bring up islamophobia. And if this Ken chap isn't a Muslim, how is firing him an example of islamophobia?

I was using the word Islamophobia to check the use of the word Antisemitism. Unfortunately the point I was trying to make was proven correct by the reaction to my use of the word.

Criticism of Islam is not islamophobia per se. But if someone says that we should deport all Jews from Israel against their will, then there is a good chance that the person is an anti-Semite.

I pointed out that if criticising the actions of the State of Israel in Palestine is Antisemitism, then criticising the critics of Zionism may as well be called Islamophobic.

Criticizing the state of Israel is not anti-Semitism ofc. But forcible removal of Jews or even Zionists that have not demonstrably committed crimes is hateful or indifferent towards Jews.

Never thought I'd say this, but +1 The Lord

Just a note here, you go on talking, but anti-semite is one of the most wrongly wielded words in English. Semitic folk is a group of folk that holds within it mostly Arabs, and some Israelites. There are Jews who are not Semitic, and there are Semites who are not Jews (in truth, the great majority of them aren't, they're Muslim and Christian).

If you mean anti-Jew or anti-Israel, just say so.

Linguistics doesn't follow predictable etymological patterns. We regularly encounter words like "inflammable" tha don't mean what you think they'd mean if you dissect them.

Historically, the word "anti-Semitic" has been used to specifically indicate opposition to Jews. It's not "wrongly wielded"- it just doesn't follow the etymological patterns you're trying to impose.

In colloquial parlance, anti-Semitic means anti-Jew so I doubt there is any risk of misunderstanding.

If you're semetic, you're a "son" of Abraham. It applies to Arabs as well as Israelites.

Biologically speaking, most Jews (Ashkenazi) are from Khazaria, and thus of Turkic origin, not Semitic. But anti-Semitic, despite its origin, just means anti-Jew.

Keep your fanciful , false definitions at home. You just hate Semitic folk because you can't get into heaven.

lol was that to me?

The root word Semite gives the false impression that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic people. However, the compound word antisemite was popularized in Germany in 1879[6] as a scientific-sounding term for Judenhass (Jew-hatred),[7][8][9] and that has been its common use since then.[10]

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism)

Furthermore, "Semitic" doesn't denote any sort of ethnicity. It technically just means someone who speaks a semitic language, which can literally be anyone who's willing to learn. To demonstrate, here is where semitic languages are from:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Semitic_languages.svg

And this is where arabic is spoken:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Arab_World_Green.svg

^^All those people are semitic

The thing is, there has never been persecution of arabs on the same scale as jews, so when you're talking about anti-semitic persecution it's almost always going to be anti-jewish persecution. And since jews are a type of semitic people, the term is correct.

Yeah, only Basque folk, Estonian folk, Sami folk, and Semetic folk get to go to heaven. Where we get to frolic with the god who manages to be omnipotent and all powerful at the same time, which is a oxymoron. But we get free honey and milk, so who are we to complain.

We regularly encounter words like "inflammable" tha don't mean what you think they'd mean if you dissect them.

But they do - inflammable does mean not able to be alighted (and the opposite).

Historically, the word "anti-Semitic" has been used to specifically indicate opposition to Jews. It's not "wrongly wielded"- it just doesn't follow the etymological patterns you're trying to impose.

It just doesn't make sense, and there's a very clear alternative word: anti-Jew, or anti-Israel.

Furthermore, "Semitic" doesn't denote any sort of ethnicity.

It does - the Semitic folk, who generally speak Semitic tongues. It's a macroethnicity, but Semites live, in Malta, in Mediterranean Africa, and in the Middle East, and share common, Middle Eastern values.

The thing is, there has never been persecution of arabs on the same scale as jews, so when you're talking about anti-semitic persecution it's almost always going to be anti-jewish persecution.

Anti-Semitic means chiefly anti-Arab, but also anti-Israelite and a few others. If you mean just anti-Jew (and most Jews don't even live in Israel, and are not Semitic), then say anti-Jew. It's like saying that anti-Asia means foremost anti-Tajikistan.

It does - the Semitic folk, who generally speak Semitic tongues. It's a macroethnicity, but Semites live, in Malta, in Mediterranean Africa, and in the Middle East, and share common, Middle Eastern values.

The term Semitic people or Semitic cultures (from the biblical "Shem", Hebrew: שם‎) was a term for people or cultures who speak or spoke the Semitic languages. The term, together with the parallel terms Hamitic and Japhetic, is now obsolete.

According to some scholars the concept of Semitic ethnicity does not exist[5] or should be avoided.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people)

There is no common culture, religion, or ethnicity between semitic peoples, so therefore they are not a panethnicity as you suggest. Arabs can be considered a panethnicity due to having a somewhat unified arab culture, but no such culture exists between semitic peoples such as arabs, assyrians, jews, etc. In fact, they don't even speak the same language, as the semitic branch of languages is a language family, not a single language.

Anti-Semitic means chiefly anti-Arab, but also anti-Israelite and a few others. If you mean just anti-Jew (and most Jews don't even live in Israel, and are not Semitic), then say anti-Jew. It's like saying that anti-Asia means foremost anti-Tajikistan.

In its common usage, "Anti-semitic" refers only to jews. What it technically should mean is irrelevant if nobody uses it that way.

Also, as I've said, "Semitic" refers to a linguistic group, and not a cultural or geographic one. Most jews around the world speak yiddish or hebrew, and are therefore semitic.

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There is no common culture, religion, or ethnicity between semitic peoples, so therefore they are not a panethnicity as you suggest. Arabs can be considered a panethnicity due to having a somewhat unified arab culture, but no such culture exists between semitic peoples such as arabs, assyrians, jews, etc. In fact, they don't even speak the same language, as the semitic branch of languages is a language family, not a single language.

Common culture? Definitely loads, they are all come from the same nomads who wandered Arabia, they all know the saying "A magpie flock can slay a camel.", they both have like thoughts. Faith? Yes, definitely, it's pretty obvious: Islam. Ethnicity? If you mean by this solidarity, then, yes, definitely. Everyone says they're Arab, and every Arab learns Official Arabic, along with site Arabic. And between the peninsular Arabs and the by far minority Assyrians, Jews, and Amhars, they all share the same Abrahamic faith; frankly, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism should be thought of the same faith, just different macrobranches, as there's so much overlap from what they believe in, and they all came from more or less the same root. There are many differences, to be sure, but not as much as Tengrism or Hinduism (which itself is not a very unified faith, but still counted as one). And they speak like tongues, as Indoeuropeans do.

In its common usage, "Anti-semitic" refers only to jews. What it technically should mean is irrelevant if nobody uses it that way.

Anti + Semitic, means you're against Semtic folk: Arabs of all kinds, Israelites, Amhars, and more. It's just fully insensible to do such a thing, and it is a duty of those who speak English to never abuse a word to this extent. A majority can be wrong.

Also, as I've said, "Semitic" refers to a linguistic group, and not a cultural or geographic one. Most jews around the world speak yiddish or hebrew, and are therefore semitic.

I never even said anything about it being a cultural or geographic group, but just that it's wrong for anti-Semite to mean exclusively anti-Jew, when there are Jews who are not Semitic, and most Semites are not Jews. Also, Yiddish is not a Semitic tongue, and I looked it up, about 40% all Jews in the world speak Hebrew, so it would be wrong to make any generalisations that they are all Semitic.