we've had jew presidents before. Cruz isn't Canadian.

all those characteristics are arbitrary and irrelevant anyway.

this isn't a joke you were being serious and now that you look stupid you're trying to deflect.

this isn't a joke you were being serious and now that you look stupid you're trying to deflect.

Or you don't took it as a joke and now you're trying to make it like it wasn't a joke.

The last one. :D

teamguns you're a progressive everyone knows it. Coming from you it clearly isn't a joke. You judge people based upon arbitrary characteristics.

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Your logic: I'm a progressive, therefore I'm stupid and I can't have opinions based on anything but arbitrary ideas. Sarcasm is also out of my range!

Sure, that's how it works.

now you're straw manning. Also an idea isn't arbitrary.

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Well, believing mexicans are a problem is an idea, and it's really arbitrary.

no something arbitrary is randomly formed or picked. People don't just wake up and decide they like or dislike something.

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An arbitrary statement is a statement without reason or justification. It is unsupported by any facts or reasons.

It's not really randomly formed. Most of the time there's already something behind it.

=> Radical muslims make terrorist attacks.
=> The media makes a full nationwide coverage on them.
=> Some asshole states that the only way to prevent terrorist attacks is to kick muslims out of the country, ignoring the fact that muslims aren't the only responsibles for terrorism, that the US has a huge mass shooting problem no one seems to try fixing and that this isn't a critical issue to the country.
=> People follow him cause his idea appears to make sense.


The arbitrary is rarely random. Most of the time there's already a formed idea behind it.

you're using a different definition. Typical marxist. Always have to redefine words in order to form coherent thoughts. You've also shifted the conversation from arbitrary characteristics to ideas. You're a master at derailing conversations m9.

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xD

* option 6: Contested republican convention, other nominee (Romney? Ryan? Christie? Kasich???): first president from a contested convention since the new primary rules

* option 7: Trump nominee of GOP, third-party bid by conservatives (Cruz?), third party bids by others (Bloomberg? Green Party, Libertarians)
* option 7a: first non Democratic / Replican president in a while.
* option 7b: No majority for any candidate, 4 more years of Obama! (jk)

* option 8: civil war, America splits! First two president since, well, the previous civil war.
* option 8a: Chinese take advantage and invade: first plesident
* option 8b: North Korea takes advantage and invades: United States best Korea!

It is truly an exciting campaign at the other side of the Atlantic. I'm so glad we don't have nationalistic trolls getting 30%+ in our elections. Oh, wait, nevermind.

The key is education. If your neighbor votes for scumbags, you are also responsible for not preventing it. A democracy gives you power from elections. You do not want the enemy to gain power, you have to prevent votes that give the enemy power.
I am a European, but i do not get how all US candidates run for only two parties. Sanders is a social democrat, Clinton a centrist, Rubio a conservative, Cruz is a christian capitalist (wtf?) and Trump is a right-populist. You should have 5 parties for that.

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They're all warmongers who want bigger governments. Seems like the two parties should end this charade and form one so they can stop lying to themselves and people get flung to "third" parties.

They're all warmongers who want bigger governments. Seems like the two parties should end this charade and form one so they can stop lying to themselves

But then they wouldn't be able to pander to different demographic groups and collectively keep the nation in their pockets.