"And about MoD, he can be a jerk sometimes, just blacklisting people because they disagree with him, or pointlessly raging about a suggestion (which was to move his thread in the right place)."

Not "his" thread. And you were the one being a dick insisting the thread didn't belong while several others disagreed with you.

"Glorious Koala, dude, you don't get the point about blacklisting people. You can have 400 people blacklisted as long as it is justified, but some people randomly blacklist people just because they cannot stand with people disagreeing with them"

You're an idiot. You're displaying the very behavior you're claiming is wrong.

Someone blacklisting you does you no harm. They're not exiling you from the community, they're merely stating that they'd rather not play with you. There's no wrong reason to blacklist someone. By expecting "justification" you're the one getting upset because people don't agree with you. You blacklist who you want, MoD blacklists who he wants, you don't need to agree on the reasons to blacklist someone.


"this made my day. Again confirming my point (unless it is again a kind of "awkward" joke?)."

No. It doesn't confirm your point. The only thing this statement confirms is that you're a misguided fool. You are saying someone else's opinion/statement confirms your views on someone else. Something MoD says can confirm your point of view regarding what kind of person MoD is, something someone else says about him cannot do so.

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Gotta agree with Good Kid here. You can blacklist whoever you want. Who cares, anyway? You can blacklist people just because you can, there's nothing preventing you from doing so.

That wasn't exactly the point of this thread... but since when does it actually have one? ^

Ok I'm going to try and make an honest, non-trollish approach to this now, replying to concerns.

I was actually just talking to him on skype about this very issue and he genuinally seems upset that he is being viewed this way. He actually just wants to find a way to help you guys to understand things more but doesn't want to post here to fuel this argument. Does that sound like someone with an arrogant or elitist attitude?!?

No, it doesn't. But I've had no interaction with this MoD. The MoD that I've seen, is the MoD that, when I made a jokey application to Masters he said "go back to your role playing friends kiddo", and the MoD that calls people who like SR noobs, and the MoD that says to diplo players "Boston actually plays" and the MoD that said to Zeph "zephyrum why don't you Play a Blockade style game". This is the MoD that I mocked and insulted, not the MoD I hear about.

Wait wait wait, you guys call MoD, who is one of the best players around right now, elitist. YET the first line I see in this thread comes from Ox and says:
"These elitist pricks need to be shown that we are the true kings of WarLight"

How in the hell is this not elitist. You guys see yourself as the kings of WL? Yeez, get of your high horse, you mean nothing. MoD might have been rude, but at least he doesn`t see himself as a higher class.

Alright, this part wasn't serious at all, although it does look serious in the fact that Bane just put it right at the top. I was just comparing the "Attack" threads to a New Warlight Order, nothing serious lads :P

Have you ever even approached any of these guys for tips on how to improve?

Yeah, I have actually. Just because I'm not as good as them and I don't like their condescending attitude sometimes doesn't mean I don't try to improve.

I can't speak for Ox, but it's not hate. It's probably one of Ox's little spurts of disgust (which I myself had too).

If MoD truly doesn't want to be viewed this way, then I can sympathise with him. If who he actually is, is not the person that I've seen him as, then I don't hate him. Looking over it, I didn't say the nicest things, but the things I said did have a message behind them of what I did mean.

Styxie, you may be right. I might be seeing MoD differently to how you see him, because I've not interacted with him as much. But almost every single time I've interacted with him, or seen what he's written, he's either calling people noobs, telling people he doesn't like to "go back to your diplos" or generally condescending elitist attitude, then that is the only thing I can judge him on. And when that is the only things I can judge him on, then that leads me to dislike him. And when I dislike something... Here's a few old screenshots of long-long ago.

1) My first comment of hate: https://gyazo.com/0c6883bdbb5c1e0f3471cd46f1a61e2b

2) My first rant of hate: https://gyazo.com/a52fd1e4acd4e99c56c653c1c547b281 (note: right after I was taken prisoner by Kim-Jong Un, after being offered the position of vice-president of North Korea. I hated NK at that time, as MightySpeck had stolen the position I was promised)

3) First response to my rant of hate: https://gyazo.com/c9f354c0dd83fa77df7436cc52e8035f

In conclusion: I get fired up. My only perception of MoD is bad. Bad perception + my fired-upy-ness = rude shit that I probably don't mean.

"What really annoyed me to hell and made me write that big ass rant Bane (un)conveniently shared with the public was Fizzer's attittude being the same "Lazy game developer" that every game gets on it's final years and instead of players trying to revert this, they were actually defending him for taking that stance."

If you see game developers as "lazy game developers" for not catering to your whims you're an overly self-entitled selfish asshole. It's as simple as that - you don't get to dictate how Fizzer spends his time. You're also severely underestimating how much time he and other game developers spend working on their games. Dedicating all your time to something and having people repeatedly trash you for being "slow" and "lazy" while you do it is incredibly demoralizing.

If game development is so easy in your eyes please go create a successful game and show us all how it's done. But of course you won't do that - that'd require effort, you're much happier to sit back and comlain about how inadequate everyone else is.

Alright, this part wasn't serious at all, although it does look serious in the fact that Bane just put it right at the top. I was just comparing the "Attack" threads to a New Warlight Order, nothing serious lads :P

Then its cool :)

Where is this fan club of MoD?

Not "his" thread. And you were the one being a dick insisting the thread didn't belong while several others disagreed with you.

This was PS's thread true. I was the one insisting because I even showed you 2 similar threads and both of them were in the OT forum and then some of you started raging saying the 2 other threads were different because they weren't about real players whereas these 3 threads were about the same very topic (a player and his ban), and insulting some people like Sirsalty and blacklisting him for no reason (very childish attitude). I will tell you one more time: Easy to say "several" when most of you were people of his clan, or a group of players very close, again no objectivity.

You're an idiot.

Juq (a good forumer tbh even if we often disagreed on many things together) would tell you you just committed a very big logical fallacy. Insulting someone is just pathetic. Stop raging and calm down first, then we could discuss normally.

Someone blacklisting you does you no harm. They're not exiling you from the community, they're merely stating that they'd rather not play with you. There's no wrong reason to blacklist someone. By expecting "justification" you're the one getting upset because people don't agree with you. You blacklist who you want, MoD blacklists who he wants, you don't need to agree on the reasons to blacklist someone.

I already said in the Boston thread I did not care at all if they blacklisted me, nonetheless they blacklisted also SirSalty and certainly other people for no other reason than him being a "not real" player, or raging after him just because he reasonably were offended after what MoD said.

No. It doesn't confirm your point. The only thing this statement confirms is that you're a misguided fool. You are saying someone else's opinion/statement confirms your views on someone else. Something MoD says can confirm your point of view regarding what kind of person MoD is, something someone else says about him cannot do so.

"misguided fool" logical fallacy number 2!

You are clearly understanding nothing of what happened earlier, and why I said this. It confirmed my points about some people (not only MoD, if you just looked at the other thread called "Mercer 1st place realtime ladder") making awkward jokes or stupid judgements upon an entire community, this is exactly what RiverStyxie did here.

Sending a post to the OT forum is like sending it to the dungeons to be tortured. It gets lost in the massive amount of hate and porn threads. Maybe that's why people didn't want it to be moved koala. I think you rubbed people the wrong way because it was a fun post that turned into an argument. People love Boston, but not because he's a strategic player. People love him because he's an asshole and really does not care. He's not just trolling to troll, he always seems to be crawling inside a bottle while he berates you. WE LOVE IT! When you try to move him to OT forum, that pisses some of us off. Me particularly. I get you didn't mean to cause an uproar and it's in the past. You didn't know, but I'm here to explain it to you. Also, MoD is a good guy. He calls everyone noobs so try to have thicker skin huh?

You're too fat Jeff

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Class warfare, let's party like its 1789

Jefferspin, I perfectly understand your point about the OT forum being a place to avoid like the plague, and I actually was thinking about this reason about why ps did not create his thread in the OT forum. But still why are some people not bothered about making irrelevant threads in the general forum whereas others should make similar ones in the OT? You get finally my point right?
Instead of avoiding the OT, maybe you and others avoiding it should post more often there. If the OT forum is in its bad state currrently its becasue many of you left, and left the ground to trolls. Few people are still trying to fix it or stop them (I numerously reported the misbehaviors there but as you know, it takes a long time to the moderation to have things done, I hope reforms like giving to ChrisCMU and some other reliable people more power will be implemented quickly..)

If you see game developers as "lazy game developers" for not catering to your whims you're an overly self-entitled selfish asshole. It's as simple as that - you don't get to dictate how Fizzer spends his time. You're also severely underestimating how much time he and other game developers spend working on their games. Dedicating all your time to something and having people repeatedly trash you for being "slow" and "lazy" while you do it is incredibly demoralizing.

If game development is so easy in your eyes please go create a successful game and show us all how it's done. But of course you won't do that - that'd require effort, you're much happier to sit back and comlain about how inadequate everyone else is.

LOL how do I even start here?

If you see game developers as "lazy game developers" for not catering to your whims you're an overly self-entitled selfish asshole.

Did you even read the text or you just joined the bandwagon? This game is Fizzer's job, and we are the customers. I have the right to complain specially because I am a payer. If people just left without complaining this game would be dead even with Google Ads, as would any other business. I'm not complaining because "he didn't cater my whims", I'm complaining because instead of updaing the game and making new features to improve it or fixing existing ones, he's REMOVING one only to not have to deal with it. Have you EVER played anything other than WarLight? If yes, you know well, this is a lazy, half-assed reply.

It's as simple as that - you don't get to dictate how Fizzer spends his time. You're also severely underestimating how much time he and other game developers spend working on their games.

I don't get to dictate his time spent, indeed, but honestly, is I was his boss, I'd fire him because he's either A) extremely lazy and works little to no time or B) extremely inneficient and works full-time but doesn't accomplish much.

I'm not "severely underestimating". This "oh, the developer has a life too, trust him he'll do something eventually, don't complain it only makes things worse" is the SAME. THING. that happens in literally every single browser game that is a few years away from being abandoned. There is a damn pattern. I'm fine with a developer that "has a life" or doesn't update for whatever other reasons, I'm not fine with developers that remove features that are used by players because they don't want to handle it.

Dedicating all your time to something and having people repeatedly trash you for being "slow" and "lazy" while you do it is incredibly demoralizing.

Dedicating? Doubt so. Remember, for you it's a game, but for Fizzer, it's a job. If there is a group of people calling him "slow and lazy", it means he definetely did at least one thing wrong. You're not complaining because the removed feature doesn't affect you, but maybe in several months, after a long period without updates (shouldn't take too long), you'll change your mind.

If game development is so easy in your eyes please go create a successful game and show us all how it's done. But of course you won't do that - that'd require effort, you're much happier to sit back and comlain about how inadequate everyone else is.

#TRUMP2016! BEST PRESIDENT! KILL ALL MUSLIMS AND DEPORT ALL MEXICANS!
Don't agree? Then shut up and go become a presidential candidate! Try to get the same amount of votes Trump got! Otherwise you can't complain, because you're much happier to sit back and complain about how inadequate Trump is. You can't even get anywhere close to him, so you can't criticize him.

I'll also draw a penis in your face and you can't remove it or complain about it until you've drawn it better. If it's so easy to draw in your eyes, then go on and show us all how it's done!

Oh, by the way, you can't complain about me either until you've made a rant longer than my original one. Otherwise, you still haven't created a succesful rant, and as such you can't rate my rants as bad or complain about their content.

That's how life works. You can't complain about anything until you do it better. We should get rid of movie and book critics, conoisseurs and all the kind. Why not have Shyamalan review Spielberg, which will review Hitchcock, while the latter reviews Shyamalan? Makes perfect sense, right?

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This was PS's thread true. I was the one insisting because I even showed you 2 similar threads and both of them were in the OT forum and then some of you started raging saying the 2 other threads were different because they weren't about real players whereas these 3 threads were about the same very topic (a player and his ban), and insulting some people like Sirsalty and blacklisting him for no reason (very childish attitude)."

The major difference was not that Boston was a good player and the other two were not. Boston was banned for ingame behavior, not forum posts. That actually IS a key difference, and it has nothing to do with elitism. The reason the others were banned had nothing to do with Warlight as a game.

"Juq (a good forumer tbh even if we often disagreed on many things together) would tell you you just committed a very big logical fallacy. Insulting someone is just pathetic. Stop raging and calm down first, then we could discuss normally."

Insulting someone is not a logical fallacy. You're referring to argumentum ad hominem. I'd be commiting ad-hominem if rather than debating what you are saying right now I attacked you as an individual and attempted to discredit your statement by making you out to look stupid. Even when doing that though it's only logical fallacy if it is unrelated. Example: You make a claim. I show numerous other times you have lied in the past as a means of discrediting the validity of your current claim. That's still not ad-hominem, because it is logical to assume someone who has a history of lying may be doing so again. Please note: That is a hypothetical scenario, I am not claiming you are lying right now nor that you have a history of lying.

While accusing me of arguing with logical fallacies though you are actually committing one yourself. The insinuation that I am "raging" and need to "calm down" is a strawman argument.

"I already said in the Boston thread I did not care at all if they blacklisted me, nonetheless they blacklisted also SirSalty and certainly other people for no other reason than him being a "not real" player, or raging after him just because he reasonably were offended after what MoD said."

It's not about blacklisting you or not blacklisting you. Your belief that there are proper and improper reasons to blacklist someone is exactly that same point of view you are claiming is so awful. You're looking down on others for having a different opinion than your own. You did the same in the thread about Boston when others didn't feel the thread needed to be moved.

"You are clearly understanding nothing of what happened earlier, and why I said this. It confirmed my points about some people (not only MoD"

That is once again, actual logical fallacy. The insinuation that I understand nothing at all simply because you claim something was intended to be interpreted differently than it actually was. The problem is you'd never stated any "view" of VSvsVS. Therefore his comments cannot confirm your belief of anything. For example: Someone saying something about me cannot confirm your beliefs about me, only about them. Things I say can confirm beliefs about me.

Finally: If you're going to try and toss around the term logical fallacy as a means of discrediting an argument - don't. That in itself is a form of logical fallacy known as argument from fallacy, it also makes you look incredibly silly when the statements in question are not actually arguing anything at all. Insults are not fallacies unless used as an actual form of argument and even then only in specific scenarios.

I just want to clear something up. This 'private' mail thread consisted of 20+ people each of which had no opportunity to decline an invitation to it. When every time I hop on warlight and my mail icon is flashing because of garbage I asked to not be apart of (this is the second mail thread like this ive been forced into), then im going to invade your 'privacy'.

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Its the 3rd one. Not the 2nd one.

For him, it's the second. We were smarter back in early december, so we didn't have him in the thread.

I know. I just wanted to point it out.

"I have the right to complain"

No, you don't. Not here anyway. Here you have privileges, not rights. They are very different.

"If people just left without complaining this game would be dead even with Google Ads, as would any other business."

Negative. You're assuming that because you're unhappy that so is everyone else, and that if you left instead of acting like a douchebag that everyone else would leave beforehand as well.

"Have you EVER played anything other than WarLight? If yes, you know well, this is a lazy, half-assed reply."

No, not a lazy half-assed reply. I've played other games, yes, many of them are filled with entitled assholes like you. It's rather sad actually how entitled your generation is. You want what you want, when you want it, and you want everything to be catered to you. Your demands would lead me to believe you think Fizzer somehow owes you or most of the games players something. He doesn't. Most players have never paid a dime. Even those with memerships like you have have paid very little. You paid $30, once, eight months ago. When you buy a videogame for a console do you expect non-stop updates to it forever as well? I mean, you paid for it, so surely the developer is now required to update the game for all of eternity, and to do so at a breakneck pace, right? Wrong.

"I don't get to dictate his time spent, indeed, but honestly, is I was his boss, I'd fire him because he's either A) extremely lazy and works little to no time or B) extremely inneficient and works full-time but doesn't accomplish much."

You have absolutely no idea how much time he does or doesn't spend working on the game. You also have absolutely no idea what work is being done behind the scenes. You know when he posts to his blog, and that's pretty much it, even then you know what he states was changed, but nothing about how much work went into implementing that change. You're in no position to decide what he should work on or how much time he should spend working on it. You're right that this is his job, but his job is to make enough money to make himself happy, it is not to make you happy. If I create a game and work on it as a hobby a few hours a day, or even less, and make enough to live off of doing so - more power to me. I do not need to dedicate more time to it just because someone else thinks I should be doing so. My goal when I go to work is to make ME happy. It is to make as much money as I need to live to the standards of my choosing. Sure, I could work more hours, develop software at a faster rate, and make more money - but I don't need to do so.

"#TRUMP2016! BEST PRESIDENT! KILL ALL MUSLIMS AND DEPORT ALL MEXICANS!
Don't agree? Then shut up and go become a presidential candidate! Try to get the same amount of votes Trump got! Otherwise you can't complain, because you're much happier to sit back and complain about how inadequate Trump is. You can't even get anywhere close to him, so you can't criticize him."

Awful logic. Anyone can develop a game. They need skills, which you certainly lack given your inability to understand how grueling game development is, but there's no massively high entry barrier. There can however only be one president of the united states at any given moment, it's not something someone can just choose to do. Especially not someone under the age of 35. Not to mention - Trump has no chance of being elected.

Your comparison falls flat. A better comparison would be someone criticizing Obama for what he hasn't achieved during his term, without understanding how difficult it would be for him to have pulled off whatever ridiculous feats they may have expected from him while he was in office.

Edited 2/7/2016 16:29:13

100th post !!! Happy Milestone of bitching everybody, Here is to the next 100!