ITT: people who couldn't write FizzBuzz telling others how trivial and easy an actual programmer's job is.

Curb your arrogance here. How do you contribute? By eating soup and coding some tournament stuff? Don't glorify yourself, fool.

I wasn't talking about myself. Fizzer actually does shit and the rest of us just talk about how easy it is.

I mean, given that most of this stuff is apparently super-trivial, you'd expect to see more CLOTs on this site, more of the "coders" not coming up with excuses about literally avoiding using wrapper libraries, and more people actually helping with community projects instead of just whining about Fizzer and praising people who actually do shit.

It's easy to find flaws. It's a little bit harder to report them (which is enough to deter a lot of people), but devs and designers still appreciate it because it helps them do their job. But what's actually hard is trying to get stuff done when people just complain about everything you do and oversaturate you with mostly junk feedback.

Edited 2/5/2016 23:59:27

Lol, I think Juq realised how hostile he was and quickly edited that last part of his meaningless text wall x)

To all the Fizzer bashers-

Why you don't you go and find something else to do with your life if you're so annoyed with a product he has spent so much time developing? It's his product(and a brilliant one at that). What he has achieved with this site till date, all by himself, is nothing short of spectacular.

I bet not one of you knows a thing about development. If you do, and are still bashing him, you really have no sense of what development is. There are always tons of features and only one person to work on them. Not everything can get done. Deal with it.


p.s - @knyte - I'm glad you've changed your mind and recognize the great work Fizzer does.

It has been said many times. We need MORE MODERATORS, and they should have permission to actually DELETE/EDIT posts/threads. Not just poor Chris who can only move threads meaning that Fizzer is the only one that actually can delete some unwanted posts.

^ This guy haven't slept in several days and presumably never made a game or forums and already said something smarter than "block all images".

What's so hard about giving some people some power? Not even delete, just Locking and sending it to a priority report list for them to be deleted ASAP (or just give them delete power)?

On open forums: Choose some players the community trusts (chris for one), problem solved.
On mail threads: Whoever started the mail thread. Period.
On clan forums: Players with Manager Rights. Simple.

Is it that hard? I'm pretty sure that isn't something that takes several days of learning and coding. That's a very simple edit that takes little to no effort and would help you control toxicity in threads and clan forums too, which are unmoderated (not too different from the open forums).

Edit: Rare situation: I actually agreed to what Juq says. That's not something that

ITT: people who couldn't write FizzBuzz telling others how trivial and easy Fizzer's job is.

Nobody said it's "trivial or easy", but I think that with 30 hours a week, in a month, anyone can do way better than changing 10~15 images. Or better yet, in 15 days, revert that change if the public doesn't enjoy it...

It's his product(and a brilliant one at that)

It's his products, but we all are the ones buying and using it. We're, like it or not, his source of money. If he fails to keep the players interested, eventually the game goes down for lack of funding.

I am a member, I am paying for this product. Just like I'd hate if I were to get a rotten apple when purchasing it, I don't really like it when the product I bought is headed in a bad direction. I'm using my right to complain. Saying I can't (specially when I'm actively funding it) is pretty much saying I can draw less than decent images of private parts in people's walls and they can't complain because they aren't drawers and don't know the strife of an artist.

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I'm going to stop posting here because at this point it's mostly derailing on "I trust fizzer" and "I hate fizzer". But hey, it's just typical MMO drama. The way warlight is headed, in several years, people's opinion will change accordingly to how Fizzer himself changes. I'm hoping it's for the best, but honestly, it's going in the wrong direction.

Edited 2/6/2016 00:08:38

If you're complaining without ever putting money into the site (membership, clans etc) why stick around if you're so unhappy with what fizzer does?

Either leave the site and play another online risk version. Or make your own version, then you will see it takes more work than you think.

On topic: It's a shame, but it's worth it. Imo the players who done it should be permanently banned, people told them at the time.

Lol, I think Juq realised how hostile he was and quickly edited that last part of his meaningless text wall x)

Yeah, the features on this site may need some work, but what really sucks are the people. I don't even do much for WL but it's very tempting to quit even that. There's plenty of more interesting projects out there for much more deserving (or at the very least, much more grateful) people.

I'm surprised at this point that Fizzer hasn't just moved on. If he's single-handedly developed all of this, he can probably move to SanFran and go corporate easily (it's not a hard market out there for people who actually know how to code).

It's great to make something that lets you interact with users- but not if the users are complete dicks.

Edited 2/6/2016 00:05:03

surprised to see knyte defending fizzer O_O

blacklisting Zephyrum

losing ads revenue temporarily sucks

hope there will be more regular offtopic trolls clean up now

surprised to see knyte defending fizzer O_O

Mostly because I complained to Fizzer about a few things and he added some features (currently in beta) surprisingly quickly. Turns out all you have to do is stop being a dick and differentiate your signals from the noise.

:P A lot of the newfound respect comes from him being way more responsive than I am as a developer. I'm not going to hold Fizzer to the standard of fixing everything immediately 'cause I do much worse when I'm personally swamped with seemingly trivial tasks.

Edited 2/6/2016 00:09:05

@Fizzer
Do these changes apply to your clan forum as well? I don't mean the clan forum that anyone can see.

Edit: thanks vitriol for finding out.

Edited 2/6/2016 00:14:29

Looks like they do. I can't post inline images on the CORP forum anymore.

Eh, this all goes wrong. Bashing Fizzer won't change a thing, you just make atmosphere tighter.

Yeah, you're really just reminding Fizzer that he could easily make more money making things for less shitty people.

The trouble is proper moderation abilities require a fair amount of development to the boards. It isn't easy to just say give player x N powers. The powers may not exist at all, or as kynte said you have to be very careful with who you give powers to. There has to be some way to keep mods accountable. My suggestion is to create a report/trash/etc forum hidden to all but mods/admins that a mod could move a thread (ideally just a post) to. That way nothing is lost (Fizzer could easily undo it), but would allow for the general public not to see inappropriate content.

Other tools could be developed as needed over time, but a one way move for current mods would suffice to prevent legal issues while also keeping some transparency. That way mods don't go on a power trip without Fizzer knowing.

Edited 2/6/2016 00:34:55

or as kynte said you have to be very careful with who you give powers to. There has to be some way to keep mods accountable.

That's why the suggestions does not including suspensions or bans, a moderator that is using his power to troll can't really do much other than delete threads (ideally not even delete, just hide and lock are already enough).

The powers may not exist at all,

So? Really, if these powers "don't even exist at all" Fizzer might just want to scrap this forum and use some cheap/free forum hosting service like Invision or something like that. It's definetely more effective and in-depth, less effort for him, more features for us, everyone is happy.

There's little to no way you can make people happy reducing the effort spent, so blocking images out if anything is not a solution.

Yeah, the features on this site may need some work, but what really sucks are the people. I don't even do much for WL but it's very tempting to quit even that. There's plenty of more interesting projects out there for much more deserving (or at the very least, much more grateful) people.

I'm surprised at this point that Fizzer hasn't just moved on. If he's single-handedly developed all of this, he can probably move to SanFran and go corporate easily (it's not a hard market out there for people who actually know how to code).

It's great to make something that lets you interact with users- but not if the users are complete dicks.

You must think of yourself so highly, a noble amongst nobles who are much higher than the 99% rubbish commoners. Curb it, ill berm.

Fizzer probably gets a pretty good profit from this game, while working at most, 2 hours every day. Why would he need to do more work when he lives comfortably, albeit notoriously? I don't know about you, but if Fizzer gets his feelings hurt by some criticism, some building, others not, well, I doubt that.

blacklisting Zephyrum

Refusing to see someone on the basis of an opinion difference? That's the meaning of bigot.

Edited 2/6/2016 00:49:58

lol

if you say so

blacklisting Zephyrum

That's ridiculous beyond belief. You can disagree with him civilly on his opinion of Fizzer, but to blacklist him for sharing this opinion is tyrannical at best. Save the blacklist for people who actually deserve it, like those who posted the offensive images that got the rest of the WL community punished.

Honestly I'm fizzer's bae. I just said "this is why we can't have nice things" in another thread. @fizzer love u too bb stay strong for me

Holy moly ps, you got Juq out of all people to (sorta) back me up. I'd like to send you special congratulations for your amazing way to solve the WarLight forums' problems, blacklist someone who has 0 common games with you and hope it makes that person go away/fill up your ego.

2 years, give or take, the community will basically be the same people that are here defending Fizzer, except they will be complaining about not having updates in the past year, all open games will be exploiters finding a way to cheat points out of low levels and pretty much the WarLight community will be going down as every single newcomer comes by and says "no updates? cheaters everywhere? no welcoming person to teach me? wtf im bailin".

This happens literally every game based on community interaction, specially faster in browser games, and Fizzer is snowballing on that direction, but appearently I can't complain because "coding is hard". Talk about excessive trust.

Blacklisting Jai.

Talk about excessive trust.

No, you can complain. You're just wrong. Coding isn't that hard; it's maintaining a large, widely-used codebase that is.

You know how people sometimes tell you they don't have time to do something really trivial because they've already got a lot of other "trivial" things on their plate? Yeah.

Edited 2/6/2016 01:09:26