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GeneralPE
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He is protectionist. While this is an option for some, I prefer free-market. However, it is still far more economically viable than socialism. And I think he has good ideas on foreign policy at times, but seems inconsistent and not readily understood.
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Fair enough, he's a protectionist and that's not optimal.

Foreign relations change so fast that anyone can be seen as inconsistent if you look at their record long enough. Plus, Trump rightly argues that the US shouldn't be too open about their intentions or foreign powers will take advantage of that. Inconsistent doesn't have to mean ineffective.
Trump busted: 1/26/2016 17:15:19


GeneralPE
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Fair point
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[AOE] JaiBharat909
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I would argue Trump understands more about economics and foreign relations than the other candidates on either side. His success in the private sector and in the GOP nomination show that. Also I prefer someone who supports common-sense policies rather than just agreeing with everything their party establishment says. All those attack ads are doing is "exposing" Trump as a man of reason.

1) How does he understand foreign relations? Just building businesses abroad doesn't mean you understand diplomacy. He's short tempered, puerile, and loves to pick fights. He'll destroy foreign relations. Half of Europe already hates him. The UK tried to stupidly ban him. And he has no sense of subtlety.

2) "Common-Sense Policies" - besides his deportation and border defense proposals I can't name another "common-sense" policy of his.

3) "Man of Reason" - LOL. Yes the man who's changed party, ideology, and policy positions more times than I can count is a man of reason. You're being duped in my opinion. This guy stands for nothing and believes in nothing other than what will get him elected. He's using the GOP base and we're all in store for either a huge betrayal if he wins or a catastrophic defeat if he loses, because if he loses we'll also lose the Senate, several Governorships, and the supreme court.
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1) How does he understand foreign relations? Just building businesses abroad doesn't mean you understand diplomacy. He's short tempered, puerile, and loves to pick fights. He'll destroy foreign relations. Half of Europe already hates him. The UK tried to stupidly ban him. And he has no sense of subtlety.


One strategy that Trump has used during his campaign is that if someone hits him, he hits back harder. So far that has been very effective and only poor Jeb still consistently attacks him, in vain. That works just as well in international politics as in GOP primaries.

Trump is not short-tempered. He can be inflammatory if he chooses to, and he deliberately picks fights with his opponents, with those fights almost always ending in his victory and their defeat. He doesn't pick fights he knows he'll lose.

Most of Europe hates the GOP and thinks that Obama is a jesus. The Nobel committee gave Obama the Peace Prize for being black. Just goes to show that the European media and establishment is extremely biased. Half of Europe hates Trump? So what.

2) "Common-Sense Policies" - besides his deportation and border defense proposals I can't name another "common-sense" policy of his.


I'd be surprised if he actually built a wall or deported all illegals. He just says that to get into the headlines, but he will actually be a lot more moderate. I don't care if he builds a wall or just strengthens border forces, as long as he deals with the issue.

3) "Man of Reason" - LOL. Yes the man who's changed party, ideology, and policy positions more times than I can count is a man of reason. You're being duped in my opinion. This guy stands for nothing and believes in nothing other than what will get him elected. He's using the GOP base and we're all in store for either a huge betrayal if he wins or a catastrophic defeat if he loses, because if he loses we'll also lose the Senate, several Governorships, and the supreme court.


Just goes to show that he's neither a hardcore Republican or Democrat but an Independent who acts based on issues and not dogmatically by ideology.

Trump is someone who gets things done and has a lot of support across party lines. He doesn't have to sign executive orders to get his way, like Obama and probably Cruz who has recently alienated the GOP establishment. A lot of people don't agree with Trump but they can still work with him.

Republicans *need* to get rid of some guys who are still living in the 1980s, and replace them with better candidates. They might lose a few governorships, but they will gain a lot of new ones.
Trump busted: 1/26/2016 20:54:13


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Tl;dr

The autism is strong with this thread
Trump busted: 1/26/2016 22:31:46


chuck norris
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i hope bernie wins but i'm scared that if he becomes the democrat presidential candidate, trump or even worse, cruz, will win
Trump busted: 1/26/2016 22:49:00


Eklipse
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Cruz worse than Trump? Now there's a rare opinion.

Also, if Bernie becomes the Democrat candidate his opponent will immediately flood the airwaves with scare ads regarding his Socialism. Considering a heavy chunk of Americans still have an intense fear/hatred of Socialism said event could ruin Sanders' chances.
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Also, if Bernie becomes the Democrat candidate his opponent will immediately flood the airwaves with scare ads regarding his Socialism. Considering a heavy chunk of Americans still have an intense fear/hatred of Socialism said event could ruin Sanders' chances.
yeah thats what i mean

Cruz worse than Trump? Now there's a rare opinion.
thats only because i agree with trump on prochoice healthcare and guns, even though i despise his policys on immigration and stuff like that

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Lordi
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Cruz worse than Trump? Now there's a rare opinion.


Yeah, right. Half of Republicans is next to nothing. But if poor Jeb says so, then it must be true. I mean, he got mommy's endorsement.
Trump busted: 1/27/2016 00:19:20

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Judging from your evasive answer "many others" it seems you do not know at all any other campaign ideas rather than the Mexican wall and the Muslim ban


I said the wall and the ban because they are the only two policies I have discussed here on these forums. Even if I REALLy didn't know his other policies, don't you think I could have done a quick search on google, so how is it evasive? Lowering coporate tax rate, lowering income tax, closing loopholes on rich, ending foreign currency manipulation, Veteran support, do I have to go on? This is a new low from you.

Trump is conveying messages of fear and hatred, much more like any far right political leaders, so tell me how this can be respectable?


Did you not read my previous message where I justified some of his appeal? Last paragraph. I just answered your question and you just wholly ignored it.

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Angry Koala
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Why then are you arguing about something you do not master at all? If you do not even know what are the main ideas of Trump's program? Your evasive "many other ideas" just confirmed it earlier, this is chrystal clear.

Your answer is again totally irrelevant, I asked you how could this be respectable, and you answer me with a total nonsense. Try better next time.
Trump busted: 1/27/2016 10:42:54


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success in the private sector does not mean someone knows how to manage the economy of a nation
Trump busted: 1/27/2016 12:24:25

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If you do not even know what are the main ideas of Trump's program? Your evasive "many other ideas" just confirmed it earlier, this is chrystal clear.


I already told you your false and entirely baseless assumption was wrong. I explained already why I only mentioned 2 of his policies but you chose to ignore that and accuse me of the same label again. There really is no point arguing with you.

And I noticed you yet again ignored my justification to Trump's appeal. Which is funny since you are calling my answers 'totally irrelevant'.

You really are a lousy 'debater', to use your own word. This is not the first time I've said this - You make simple points with absolutely no supporting argument, and when I produce a counter argument thats not part of your intended script, you proceed to either a) accuse me of 'truncating' or 'inventing' words OR b) ignore the counterargument altogether and make the exact same point again.

My opinion is you are either retarded or you are too lazy to actually read what I write, think outside the box and come up with a logical response. Too many of my arguments with you are about petty personal attacks rather than discussion on actual issues and Policies.

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Angry Koala
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Pulsey the Hypocrite is back, you say I ignore your comments but guess what, you were the first one here to continuously ignore my own comments, hypocrisy without limit.

You are not even able to dialogue seriously, once someone is against your biased view of things, you try to avoid the debate by insulting your opponent childishly with "retarded" (me) or "birth defect" (Hitchslap). Pathetic behavior really Pulsey, but that does not surprise me anymore. You're only digging yourself in deeper and you are not even realizing it.

You seriously lack of objectivity every time you are participating in this forum obviously blinded by your own biased view. You wont win any debate this way you know, since you are the one here failing to answer any questions (and quite simple questions tbh), and not having any solid argumentation with any valuable sources, God stop being an idiot Pulsey and try to reason by yourself instead of constantly looking for useless confrontations.
Trump busted: 1/27/2016 17:55:12


knyte
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This thread made me look up whether cancer is contagious.
Trump busted: 1/27/2016 17:58:14


Lolicon love
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nazis.....nazis everywhere.
Trump busted: 1/27/2016 18:11:48


Eklipse
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You wont win any debate this way you know

You don't "Win" an internet debate. The best you can hope for is a civil discussion that enlightens different solutions, usually doesn't work out that way though....
Trump busted: 1/27/2016 18:18:13


Lolicon love
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you win an internet debate when your opponent calls you a nazi.
Trump busted: 1/27/2016 18:26:26


Angry Koala
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Sh*t Lolicon must be right... I am defeated then :(

And Eklipse in my opinion this applies for any kind of debates, but again I must be wrong.
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