Wrong, Ox. Dead wrong.

Both Netherlands and Germany (and quite a few other Euronations) have nukes.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Nuclear_weapons_states.svg/560px-Nuclear_weapons_states.svg.png

All colored countries have nukes (except the green nations, which are nationa that have had nukes).

That was a side-side-side point of my main case. I'm not "dead-wrong". My point still stands. Nukes are incredibly wasteful, and immoral to the UK as a whole.

Nukes are quite helpful actually. The Soviet Union and the United States would have went to war if it weren't for nukes, so I think they can be good.

I was taking about *just* the thing regarding Germany and the Netherlands not having Nukes.

And actually, Conservative is kinda right... nukes are the only real reason why UK is a military power.

@Ben And how does this have anything to do with the UK?

EDIT: @Tyrion, Yeah. That was something I conceded, yet said something else about. Why does UK want to be a military power? It is a desperate shadow of its former self that is doing anything to cling onto a fragment of their glory days. They should give it up.

Edited 12/28/2015 20:57:24

Because, Ox, if the UK isn't an economic power, nor military, nor cultural...

You get what I'm saying.

Lies as of yet only 8 countries have nukes, they are split into two categories. Those who have signed the agreement and those who haven't. France,Britain,China,Russia,USA who are permitted to have nukes. And India,Israel.
,Pakistan who are not allowed but have them any way

And? Why is it important to be an economic/military/cultural/political power? Why can't UK just accept that she's no good anymore?

Do I have to get the video out Ox. Proving you wrong?

@Tyrion

We're not that bad you know. London one of the three financial cities of the world. We have the best (or top 3rd to 4th) special forces and secret agents, Large amounts of influence in some former colonies ect. All this means the UK has a very large amount of soft power.

I don't want to see your home videos again, no.

I know, New Luna.

But the point is, London isn't becoming any more major of a city. Singapore/Hong Kong/ Seoul/Tokyo are.

And secret agents are good... but nukes and manpower win wars.

http://youtu.be/f215_AM5d8s

really, Salty?

I don't have time to bother with ridiculous conspiracy theories. Especially **** like that...

It isn't a conspiracy theory it just wasn't related to Alltime 10s.....as it wasn't 10 facts.

@The Conservative
The roads thing was a joke btw

Sorry. I didn't bother to watch the video before- just read the description about the UK controlling the US.

And after watching the video, it seems like they are exaggerating.

Well Ox the world of course would be better without nukes but the second one country disarms it immediately puts it In danger. In fact, that's how I think the U.S. will eventually fall. The Hippie California bastards will eventually convince the people to disarm our nuclear weapons without getting the same courtesy from the other nuclear powers. Then, with no war nuclear deterrent, U.S. will suffer from a Major loss of power, her foreign policy will be forced to become less defense, and in the end we will be nuked

And gentleman let me remind you, there is a massive difference between being able to make a bomb and actually having a bomb. Germany, Netherlands, Turkey, and Poland are all nations who have bombs ( usually because the U.S. gave them ) however none of them can make them. America, Britain, Russia, India, Pakistan, North Korea, France, are all nations who have created their own nuclear weapons

^ Israel.

Japan has the capability.

South Africa has made nukes.