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Your opinion on certain countries...: 12/19/2015 21:07:36


Major General Smedley Butler
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Also Poland was a country longer then Germany
Your opinion on certain countries...: 12/19/2015 21:10:53


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Well, I guess we'll never see what life in an independent Scotland will be like before it goes independent. Besides, it would serve the interests of the Scottish people as the majority actually does want independence...

Poland was (and still is, recently the catholic party won the election and most of them are idiots) governed badly in history, but your argument is totally invalid, as the EU never pretended to be one country. And it's not part of Euro. You should have known that but I do realize your stupidity comes from ignorance here, so I'll forgive you for once.

Kindness? Economical profit? Or just Angela Merkel's politics?
Your opinion on certain countries...: 12/19/2015 21:11:46


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Of course I think Poland had some uses in the past but we have to stop moaning about the past and look to the future and the present threat is from the EU Maoists and their Fascistic tendencies.

Our natural ally in this regard should be Russia, who would benefit from exploiting Poland.

Then, when peace and democracy is restored in Europe we can give the parts of Poland which are historically German back.
Prussia still lives in the minds of the native people to its ancient fatherland.
Your opinion on certain countries...: 12/19/2015 21:13:42


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Scotland is a state. It's just not a sovereign state. It's a constituent state. Also, it would definitely have the interests of the Scottish people at heart if it were an independent country. It would just also care about the immigrants and refugees living inside of it as well, and would welcome foreign workers, unlike what some people believe.
Your opinion on certain countries...: 12/19/2015 21:15:10


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we have to stop moaning about the past

give the parts of Poland which are historically German back.

If we argue from your first point of view then Prussia shouldn't become German again because we should look to the future, but if we use your second view point then Germany should be Balkanized.
Your opinion on certain countries...: 12/19/2015 21:16:05


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Sorry I apologize if I was mistaken about Poland being in the Euro. It was a presumption and not a demonstration of ignorance in the field.

If countries were for their ethnically native populations why do they sell their citizenship to foreigners??

Look at how many ethnic foreigners hold British citizenship...
Your opinion on certain countries...: 12/19/2015 21:18:40


Major General Smedley Butler
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Colonel you quite literally argued two contradicting points and are now trying to avoid it.
Your opinion on certain countries...: 12/19/2015 21:20:57


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Historically German? All the land Poland has today was owned by them at some point in the past. If you consider parts of Poland historically German, then I consider parts of Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia, Moldova, Romania and Russia historically Polish. Though I'd really be satisfied with just Wilno, Brześć and Lwów. Not much, is it? :P

My point is exactly what you wrote : we shouldn't care that much about the past, but look forward to the future. Except that's the point where you're contradicting yourself, because if we shouldn't care about the past, why would Germany get back the land they owned in the past? What matters is the future and you were the one to say it.

Also, the choice of Russia as ally in the region is completely arbitrary. Russia is one of the states with most crimes committed by the government. The tsars, the bolsheviks and co. Now it's not as bad as it used to, but Putin is still one of the worst people in Europe at the moment.

Whether you choose to ignore the rational points I just made or not is up to you ; I'm just pointing out the obvious and numerous flaws in your reasoning.
Your opinion on certain countries...: 12/19/2015 21:23:24


[WL] Colonel Harthacanute
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It depends on your view of the future.

I see a future in which Europe lives in peace and harmony and each nation develops independently its culture free from external influences and federalism of any kind.
This includes Poland.

However, if we look at Europe from a realistic point of view we need to fight against the "ever closer union" and growing tyrannical policies of the EU bureaucracy.
Your opinion on certain countries...: 12/19/2015 21:24:33


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Euskadi?
Your opinion on certain countries...: 12/19/2015 21:26:47


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^ The EU isn't the USSR, it brings more good things than it does harm.
Your opinion on certain countries...: 12/19/2015 21:31:45


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Britain is currently fighting for survival.
The EU has taken control of our borders, our waters, our courts, our agriculture and our self-determination.

As Hitler himself once said,
"We'll conquer Europe for Germany, then leave the rest of the world".

Wilhelm II had the same goal.

The EU is just another means of achieving that goal.

Russia was our friend against Hitler and she can also be our friend against Merkel.

It's alright pointing out Putin's flaws, but western leaders are hardly saints themselves are they?
Blair and Bush for a start.
Your opinion on certain countries...: 12/19/2015 21:34:47


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It's not about the benefits of being in a federation.

The USSR had benefits as the EU has benefits.

It's about the independence of nations and the preservation of culture and self-determination.
Your opinion on certain countries...: 12/19/2015 21:39:07


Angry Koala
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Euskadi stronk! More relevant compared to Scotland! Euskadi askatasuna eta independentzia!!!!
Your opinion on certain countries...: 12/19/2015 22:43:33


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Scotland stronk! Euskadi can into irrelevance and not into space! Pure funay freedom ma'e!
Your opinion on certain countries...: 12/19/2015 23:05:26


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1. Independent
2. Independent
3. Independent
4. Independent
5. Independent
6. Ukraine
7. status quo
8. Independent
Your opinion on certain countries...: 12/19/2015 23:15:29


Angry Koala
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Euskadi can into Space! We have one astronaut at least! Scotland pure funay! Yuo are really of irrelevance!
Your opinion on certain countries...: 12/19/2015 23:33:34


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at least Scottish protests is of peaceful! ETA can EAT me kilt fer a' I care!
Your opinion on certain countries...: 12/20/2015 00:21:59


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1.No
2.Yes
3.Yes
4.No
5.Yes
6.Not Russian (unless accurate referendum confirms)
7.India
8.Whatever they vote on

Also, Arabs have no 'right' to Israel. They conquered it, ok. They become the Palestinians, ok. If they can hold it, good for them. Britain takes it, ok. They just did what the Muslims did in the first place. Fair's fair. They then give Muslims the ENTIRE F*CKING MIDDLE EAST EXCEPT ISRAEL AND THEN MUSLIMS GO B*TCH ABOUT NOT GETTING THE LAND THEY CONQUERED BACK!!!! They have West Bank, Gaza, Golan to make a country with. They could be happy with that, or move to Jordan. The Jews had to deal with losing their homeland to Egypt, Babylon, Seleucid, Rome, Muslims, etc. Then the fucking Holocaust!!! Have some sympathy for the goddam Jews! But no, rather than dealing with it like the Jews had, they go and fight a bunch of wars and get wrecked, then complain about Israel taking land from them in wars THEY STARTED!! Then, when people suggest giving them their land back, they say, no, Israel cannot exist. Plus, they are terrorists.
THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO PALESTINE OVER THE JEWS!!!
Your opinion on certain countries...: 12/20/2015 00:29:33


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The Israel/Palestine topic is a result of a number of promises that people have failed to keep:

1) The Brits promised a Hashemite Kingdom would exist, following the Great War. They did this, by creating Hejaz
2) The Brits promised a Palestinian state to exist. They would give them the land of Palestine, and Transjordan.

After Hejaz was conquered by the Saudis, the Brits gave the Hashemite people Transjordan, leaving Palestine with only the land of Palestine proper.

Following the Second World War, as a half-arsed attempt at making an apology for the Holocaust, the Allies promised a Jewish state. Naturally, they gave the Jews their "holy land" (Whether God gave them that land or not is debatable, but faith is weak, and if breaking a promise for the sake of something that may or may not be true is justified, please explain why). The Palestinians didn't like this. They thought "Hey guys, you already took Transjordan from us. Can we at least have Palestine proper?" to which the Brits replied "No. They're taking half of your homeland whether you like it or not." People use the excuse of "at least give them SOME of their land!" when Israel really had no right to saunter in, and demand land that the Palestinians had been promised for DECADES. The Palestinians fought for their land, sometimes with allies, but it was like a fight between a bug and a windshield, and the Palestinians got humiliated.

Regardless, Palestine is independent. How is it not? It's a functioning country, with set territory (some of which is being occupied illegally), and everything every other country has. People just say it doesn't exist, because it doesn't think that the country that took its land from it exists. You can kid yourself that Palestine isn't independent, but it's more independent than a lot of countries are.
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