Replacement games were for players who were booted while on vacation because I made a mistake while making the 1v1 tournaments and did not allow vacations.
I did not realize you had wanted a replacement game, but looking back at the old thread, yes, you can play a replacement game against abr. You will need to make it and link it here.
Players that could still finish in the top 5 (Updated standings): Latnox: 19-6 Mike: 16-8 Julkorn: 14-9 Frankdeslimste: 14-9 Kryzchu: 15-10 Darkpie: 14-10 timon92: 13-11 Hennns: 13-11 Ollie: 13-12 abr: 11-12 ACL Tears: 10-11
The deal was if players make the replacement game and link it in public chat, they can get the win counted. If Miyagi was on vacation and booted a lot, and he wants to play some more games against those players he was booted against, he can link them in public chat or here and I will update it.
Turtle, it's only a net loss of one. One point for each win...
Replacement games currently: Turtle vs Polakillo Turtle vs Pushover Hennns vs abr
Anyone who was booted in a game they were even or winning in because of vacations, please provide a link to that game and post it here. I will then say yes or no on adding a replacement game (yes if you were at least in even shape). You have two days to post it here; if you don't, you're window of oppurtunity closes.
Most likely, we can safely lock up Latnox and Sephiroth as 20A and 20C champions, but the top 5 may see some jostling.
Technically I have 4 boot losses that could be made up but I got lazy so... the makeup games were never played. I also have a boot win against someone else.
I'm playing Turtle to indulge him though :)
Anyway if top 5 is significant and i have a chance to drop out of the top 5 then yeah I'd like to play my make up games if possible. But otherwise I'm cool with letting things sit.
With 20C, top 5 means nothing more than an ego booster. Only top 1 really matters for 20C. For 20B, top 4 really matters since they get promoted to 20A. For 20A, top 7 matters since top 7 automatically get an invite back to 20A next season. So I wouldn't bother making the games up unless you just really like to play more games.
Thanks for running this, but scoring needs to change. Win% is not fair because many skip the team games. It should be total wins or points or something.
Yeah. And team wins should be worth more than a 1v1 win, since it takes much more effort to coordinate.
Also I would like to see more structure to how promotion and relegation occurs. I get that you want to save a few spots to subjectively promote new comers(who belong in higher groups). But the ratio doesn't seem to be right. There shouldn't be more than 1-2 subjective promotions(that too in exceptional circumstances). The rest should be on merit.
For only one player to promote from a competitive group C seems really unfair. I doubt players will keep participating in the C league if the rewards are so few. Just my two cents..
Scoring is based on total points. 20A and 20B were not finished yet, so I showed the actual records of players.
The issue with making team games worth more is a weaker player may be puppeted by superior teammates and have a much higher score than they deserve if team games are worth more.
Jefferspin, I remember you saying this a while back too, right after they started. I apologize again for forgetting to invite you to all :(
I agree a more solid form of promotion/relegation is needed for the future. However, I think part of the essence of 20 is allowing new players to prove themselves in 20A. Darkpie, Latnox, Ollie would have not been 20A this season if it were based solely on promotion and all performed well. I think this is something that will be worked out before the next season begins.
Having team games count for more would make picking the right teammates more important than playing well. It's bad enough for someone like BraaK in the 20B that's just finishing who had his 2v2 partner get booted in every game (except 1 I think?).
Team games will not be worth more than one point in 20. What is possible is that there may be multiple team tournaments, enough for a player to be able to earn equal points in 1v1 and team games. Perhaps next season will consist of 2 3v3 tournaments, a 2v2, and a 1v1. With only 4-5 games in 3v3, there is only around 8-10 total on 3v3. 2v2 will likely be around 8\7-9 games, meaning 15-19 total team games. 1v1 is likely to have around 16-20 players meaning 15-19 1v1 games. This is a possible option that will be talked about for Season 7 I am sure.
Why should it be possible to get as many points in teamgames as in 1vs1 games?
Am I the only one who believes that teamgames doesn't really need different skills than 1vs1 games? The only difference i see is that you will do better if you got a teammate who's better than yourself. A team is always as good as his strongest member. At least when the others don't care to be puppeted.
Actually i don't really care since i got booted from most games this season anyway, but i just wanted to say that more teamgames slow this league down even more and i don't see the reason for it.
actually, teamgames require MORE skill than 1v1. That's why there are more good 1v1 players than teamplayer. Also i would like to mention, that it's easier became good at 1v1 than at teamgames.
tl'dr i care even less than you as i am not playing 20 since long time.
But the reason most of best players don't want play 20 A anymore is:
A) too long tourney B) too many boots C) rules were maybe good in the pasts, but i think they need to changed D) templates voting is very bad. unless i am mistaken, 2 season ago we had Ursa Luna templates. I wasn't playing and i say it was a bad templte. Everyone disagree with me and it get voted. After few games everyone said it was a bad template... Same this season, 2v2 0% SR ME, and i heard lot of players complain about that setting, that are pretty old, and not much fun.
I also think it's time to change 1v1 template as well. About 3v3 template, i think it has been change few times already but i reccomend to change in the new ladder 3v3 setting, they are slightly better.
One of my proposal for decrease the overall lengh is, boot time 1 days 10 h with like 5 days of banking boot times maybe. Or maybe a little more, like 7 days boot time. But in this way you would ended up with faster games.
Also, IMO, i see the point of mod where he say often is crucial get a better teammate than you, so maybe you should at least play 2v2 with yourself, and only 3v3 been with another player. In this way your skill would have been a bigger impact. 19 1v1 + 19 2v2 + 5 3v3.
About 2 3v3 i disagree, 3v3 are by far the slower games, and i don't see another template good as the actual ladder setting.
I think, it would be fair use for this season the ladder setting for every 1v1 2v2 3v3, but change 2v2 into 4 starts ofc. But maybe is better change completely 1v1 into something more fresh, there are few new Szew templates pretty interesting and very well balanced.
