http://youtu.be/VS5-uYLiKmw - it's a joke don't crucify me.

@Eklispe:
I'm trying to keep it family friendly here be it is really hard to do that when you compare responding to a thread on a public forum to walking into a church and attacking religion.
I'm very much inclined to say that you are retarded and then leave.

You are retarded

I'm trying to keep it family friendly here be it is really hard to do that when you compare responding to a thread on a public forum to walking into a church and attacking religion.

It was based on your metaphor. Also, you were the one who compared someone talking about their religion to a naked man showing you his genitals. Who's comparison is more outrageous?

You are retarded

Oh now that's real creative. I bet you spent a long time coming up with that insult. My whole case was rendered moot by the power of that one line. All hail to your fine logic.

Oh, let's not forget you twice accused me of employing ad-hominem. Now you turn right around with a petty insult.

Hitchslap, everything Eklipse is saying about you is valid - you're being very hypocritic and barely answering his posts - the same cherry-picking you seem to despise.

Eklipse, it's not brave to post your faith outlooks - but you're going to have to deal with criticism. Say I promote to kill all Jews - should we just leave me alone? Relm is promoting this on a forum - a public talking space, and you call "attacking" if there's any frains or arguments against Christianity.

Leviticus made a good list of "other" Bible lines, though it wasn't precisely friendly done, it's still an argument.

You know what really grinds my gears? When people, Christians and atheists alike, quote things from the Old Testament to try and define Christianity. Things like stoning adulterers and homosexuals and women who talk back and the like. Christianity---> Christ---> Jesus---> New Testament. The Old Testament is important, yes, but Christians are believers and followers of Jesus Christ, who is loving and forgiving to basically all but hypocrites. Pope Francis is doing it right. That's all I have to say.

It's a shame there always has to be a couple set people who have to stick their noses into a peaceful thread and ruin it with negativity because they don't believe.

yeah, same thing happened for a pro-science and atheist thread once, and religious people complained likewise.

Okay, I think this falls to me for not making it clear: this is a thread for Islamics, Jews, and Cristians (it does not matter which you are) to share their different views on things. I've debated plenty people from all faiths and I always seem to come to a point where I do not know enough about the other religion to continue further debating, so a Jew can come on here and say the Jewish viewpoint and then I can better understand that view. I just posted the chapter as a scripture lesson a thing I do in my own clan that someone suggested I should try here. This thread is for open practice of Religions a.k.a. not cults. Again the lack of an explanation of this thread is my fault and I apologize dearly for it. for those who come here for an argument, send me a mail and ill respond with my honest answer. for those who like the idea of this thread but feel its mostly around Christianity, make one for your religion and that will lead to less conflict, those here to troll...i cant stop you but i ask that you show at the least some maturity,decency, and intelligence in your posts. thank you all & goodday.

P.s. i feel like i missed something so if i remember it ill edit it onto this one or make a new post about it and to the guy who posted about 100 bible verses, i cant type my answer to them all with the context they should be explained with so here is my skype: Legome18 , add me and ill find a time to spend an hour explaining the verses and there meaning with the context they deserve...please try to not turn this into a argument(I am sorry about that atheist/agnostic thread that got rampaged, if i were ont he forums at the time, i surely would have begged people to stop. Peace be with you all amen.

P.s.s I would again say this thread is not for arguments nor am I forcing my or any religion down someones throat.

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Lol, good luck getting a non-crazy viewpoint of Islam out of Colonel.

Where's the love for Tom cruise?

I count Scientology as a Cult
Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses i count as denominations of Christianity
I count Skourby as an Abomination (mostly wolves will get that joke)

@Жұқтыру: I beg to differ. All i did was posting bible verses oftened ignored or dismissed when we talk about christianity. All of these verses are found in the Bible. Thats it. These verses are obviously horrific and this is why Eklipse felt offended, and in stead of adressing what i wrote, he just went on and attack me personnally, instead of engaging in a mature discussion. And barely answering his post? are you kidding? here is some of the lies he attributed to me, just because i posted bible verses:

Posting here just to attack religion is really petty and makes me wonder if you're in some way insecure about your own beliefs

(personnal attack)

those like you who refuse to let people believe what they choose to believe in

(flat out lie)

You keep using the word "push" as to imply that everyone here is somehow obligated to listen

Just after i said that i am ok with him pushing his ideas as long as he is ok with his ideas being criticized AND that i recognized that admitted that i wasn't forced to do anything.

Eklipse has no intellectual honesty, and try to use every trick in the book to discredit me personally in a vain attempt to discredit what i actually wrote. I don't have any respect for this type of behaviour nor to the person that comes with it.

@The Man Who'd Buy Spain:

When people, Christians and atheists alike, quote things from the Old Testament to try and define Christianity. Things like stoning adulterers and homosexuals and women who talk back and the like. Christianity---> Christ---> Jesus---> New Testament.

Matthew 5
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them

Jesus refers to the old testament all the time, and the bible is composed of both the new testament and the old. In fact the new testament doesn't make any sens without the old testament, since the new testament is to be about the fullfilling of the old testament's prophecies.

Also, Christianity---> Christ---> Jesus---> God ---> Old Testament.
Jesus is God right? And by God, it means that he IS the same exact God that the old testament talks about. The God that gave His Laws in the Pentateuch (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy).
I'm glad that you don't embrace the teachings of the Old testament, but you don't get to dismiss it as if this had nothing to do with christianity.

And the fact of the matter is that i quoted about the same amount of verses from the old testament than from the new testament. The Old testament surely wins the prize for most violent of the two, but there is a number of verses in the new testament that i find rather immoral.

@Relm: I do respect your right to believe whatever you want, and i do respect your right to post and say whatever you want.
However, you don't get to choose who can and who can't respond to this thread.
If you decide to post bible verses on a public gaming forum - and you have the right to do it - you also have to accept that those who opposes what you are putting forward (if the word "push" bother you) have the right to say so. Just because you created the thread doesn't mean you own it.
If i were to create a faschist thread and say that my thread is for fascists only, would you accept that? In a gaming commity forum? Well i wouldn't. On the other hand, if this was a religious website, in a religious community, then i would totally get why someone with my views wouldn't be accepted, and i would be ok with it.
As for you explaining in what context these verses should be read, i don't ask you to do it. You quoted bible verses, i did the same. If you feel like you need to explain some of these verses, you can do it here, or on another thread if you want. And i'll respond. But i sincerely doubt that you can come up with a "context" in wich stoning homosexuals to death, or torturing people for eternity by making them rot in a lake of fire because the don't believe, would be a good and moral thing to do. Maybe you personnaly don't believe in these verses, but the Bible is very clear about that. And if you want to promote a book that states that people like me deserves to suffer for eternity, then i have a problem with it, and i am not apologizing for fighting it.

Matthew 5
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them

Jesus is the fulfillment he is talking about. He is obviously not talking about the laws of Moses, because he basically refuted those through his actions.

I agree with you on the importance of the Old Testament, but that book is not the world Jesus lived in. Jesus brought about tolerance of people.

He forgives, but since he is God, I guess it's His job. That doesn't mean people should live by all laws of the Old Testament, though. We are to love everyone, and we are not to judge anyone, for we are not God. We are also to obey the laws of our government while still keeping true to His name.

Mark 12
Render Unto Caesar

13And they sent unto him certain of the Pharisees and of the Herodians, to catch him in his words.

14And when they were come, they said unto him, Teacher, we know that you are true, and care for no man: for you regard not the person of men, but teach the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?

15Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt you me? bring me a penny, that I may see it.

16And they brought it. And he said unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's.

17And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marveled at him.

The poster above makes a great point, Jesus is the fulfillment of the prophecies.

@The Man Who'd Buy Spain

He is obviously not talking about the laws of Moses, because he basically refuted those through his actions.

But of course he is talking about the laws of the old testament. What laws would he be refering to?
Now does the actions of Jesus contratict the old testament? Yes.
Is there verses in the new testament that contradicts the old testament? yes, plenty.
I can point to you other verses of the new testament that says the old testament is to be taken seriously, and I can also point to you verses that contradict that. So the general guideline for christians seem to be: whenever the 2 contradict themselves, always go for the new testament, and if it is written in the old testament, but not in the new testament, then do whatever you want.

It is a nice way to avoid the brutality of the old testament, but really it seems to me that it is just a cop out.
I mean if god changed his mind about the death sentences for all the sinners, don't you think that he would have thrown in a little verse about it, like:
"On second thoughts, if a child disrespect his parent, don't kill him. Take away his desert maybe, but don't kill him". No, you don't see that, in fact there are verses where jesus lectures some jews for not observing Moses Law, on that very same death sentence (Mark 7:8-10 for example)
What about slavery? Don't you think that if god changed his mind about slavery there would be a verse in the new testament that said: "by the way, no more slavery".
No, instead of that, you get 1 Peter 2:18 and 1 Timothy 6:1-2.

Anyway, even if he didn't wanted christians to follow the OT anymore, he is still the god that made these laws in the first place. Are you really going to argue that the law of the OT were actually good and moraly right at the time of the OT?

Anyway, even if he didn't wanted christians to follow the OT anymore, he is still the god that made these laws in the first place. Are you really going to argue that the law of the OT were actually good and moraly right at the time of the OT?

No, not at all.

Jesus affirmed the Torah with the gospels.

Did nobody watch my video it was on the topic of the argument.

and in stead of adressing what i wrote, he just went on and attack me personnally, instead of engaging in a mature discussion

I've addressed nearly every last thing you've posted, piece by piece. Meanwhile, you cherry pick small parts of my posts that you've taken personal offense to and try to discredit everything solely on that.

instead of engaging in a mature discussion

Oh please. You've been the least mature person in this entire thread. You complain about cherry picking, and then cherry pick posts of those who call you out. You WHINE non-stop about personal attacks, and then flat-out call me retarded. Every last logical fallacy you accuse me of you turn right around and do the same. (I.E: Calling my comparison ridiculous when you used one even more outrageous)

You're a blatant hypocrite. Oh let me guess, calling you out on that counts as a "personal attack" in your book doesn't it? I'm supposed to never say a word about how uncivil you've been and focus on your cherry-picked,slanted argument.

Eklipse has no intellectual honesty, and try to use every trick in the book to discredit me personally in a vain attempt to discredit what i actually wrote.

I've attacked your argument, and the way you've behaved on this thread. Nothing more. And looking back through this thread you've taken far more personal shots at me than I have at you. Get off your high horse and stop criticizing the logic of others' until you can get your own straightened out.

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You're a blatant hypocrite. Oh let me guess, calling you out on that counts as a "personal attack" in your book doesn't it? I'm supposed to never say a word about how uncivil you've been and focus on your cherry-picked,slanted argument.

Well at least you have an argument for calling me a hypocrite. Even if i don't think it is a valid one, it is better than nothing. Better than calling me insecure because i've posted bible verses you don't like...

Calling my comparison ridiculous when you used one even more outrageous

I didn't adress that claim so i'm gonna do it now. The comparison i used was to illustrate that the concept of "forcing someone", "obligating", was different than the concept of "pushing something upon someone". Also the metaphor were not meant to be outrageous. I personnaly don't have a problem with human genitals, i don't think any part of our body are "shameful". But i can see why you would think that human genitals are outrageous, given your beliefs and the book you take them from. Granted, the metaphor was not a particularly good one, but calling it outrageous is excessive.

I've attacked your argument, and the way you've behaved on this thread.

No, you've attacked my alleged behaviour and attacked imaginary arguments that you put in my mouth (like refusing to let people believe what them want to believe, or insinuing that i was against him speaking whatever he wants), when in fact all i did was quoting the Bible, wich you saw as an attack.

Now the only thing you got right is that it was in fact an attack, but not an attack toward christians or an attack toward OP's freedom of expression or freedom of religion. It was me exercizing my freedom of expression to criticize the BOOK he was refering to, simply by showing some of the verses people like to ignore.
OF COURSE i cherry picked the bad verses, but i'm not the one preaching that the bible is the word of an all powerful and benevolent god that everyone should believe in if they don't want to suffer for eternity (wich is the message behind 2 Timothy 4: "preach the word", "do the work of an evangelist") . So in order to prove that wrong, all i need is to point at a few counter examples in the bible where god is not bevevolent by any definition according to universally accepted and basic morals.

May we stop this pointless bickering? It leads us nowhere.