Tis true ^

Jésus reviens, Jé-ésus reviens!
Jésus reviens parmi les tiens!
Du haut de la croix indique-nous le chemin!!
Toi qui le connais si bien!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4tq23zDITM

I started this on my clans page, eventually no one trolled it. I can surely trust a community of which 90% are older then me, to be a little mature when it comes a serious topic like religion, but i thank you for your warning Pie, i wish you peace.

You'd be suprised....People like ion...colonel and tyrion are known to troll everything

Lol, do not expect maturity from these lunatics.

well of course there will be trolls, ill gladly take a conflict between me and Colonel rather then the martyrdom that the early saints and apostles were given, surely the stick is lighter in my hand then it was theirs.

scripture lesson: The verses christians love to ignore
source: https://www.biblegateway.com/ (NIV)
disclaimer: I shall not be responsible for the vomit spilled on your keyboard as you read these verses.

Introduction (just to put things into perspective)
Matthew 5
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them

and remember:

Mark 16
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.


Now the fun begins

Exodus 31
15 For six days work is to be done, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death.

Leviticus 15
19 “‘When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening.
20 “‘Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. 21 Anyone who touches her bed will be unclean; they must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.

Leviticus 20
9 “‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.
10 “‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.
11 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his father’s wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
12 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his daughter-in-law, both of them are to be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads.
13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
15 “‘If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he is to be put to death, and you must kill the animal.
16 “‘If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

27 “‘A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads.’”

Leviticus 21
9 “‘If a priest’s daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire.

18 No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed;
19 no man with a crippled foot or hand,
20 or who is a hunchback or a dwarf, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles.
21 No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the food offerings to the Lord. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God.
22 He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food;
23 yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the Lord, who makes them holy.’”


Leviticus 22
20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found,
21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death.
22 If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.
23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her,
24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

Leviticus 24
16 anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord is to be put to death. The entire assembly must stone them. Whether foreigner or native-born, when they blaspheme the Name they are to be put to death.

Leviticus 25
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

Numbers 31 (CEB)
17 Now kill every male child and every female who has known a man intimately by sleeping with him.
18 But all the young girls who have not known a man intimately by sleeping with him, spare for yourselves.

Deuteronomy 13
6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known,
7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other),
8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them.
9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people.
10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

Deuteronomy 17
2 If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the Lord gives you is found doing evil in the eyes of the Lord your God in violation of his covenant,
3 and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars in the sky,
4 and this has been brought to your attention, then you must investigate it thoroughly. If it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done in Israel,
5 take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death.

Deuteronomy 21
18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him,
19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town.
20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.”
21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.

Deuteronomy 23
1 No one who has been emasculated by crushing or cutting may enter the assembly of the Lord.
2 No one born of a forbidden marriage nor any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the Lord, not even in the tenth generation.

Deuteronomy 25
11 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts,
12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

2 kings 2
23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!”
24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.

2 Kings 23
19 Just as he had done at Bethel, Josiah removed all the shrines at the high places that the kings of Israel had built in the towns of Samaria and that had aroused the Lord’s anger.
20 Josiah slaughtered all the priests of those high places on the altars and burned human bones on them. Then he went back to Jerusalem.
25 Neither before nor after Josiah was there a king like him who turned to the Lord as he did—with all his heart and with all his soul and with all his strength, in accordance with all the Law of Moses.

Psalm 137
9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.

Jeremiah 19
8 I will devastate this city and make it an object of horror and scorn; all who pass by will be appalled and will scoff because of all its wounds.
9 I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another’s flesh because their enemies will press the siege so hard against them to destroy them.’

Matthew 5
28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

Matthew 10
34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
35 For I have come to turn
“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36
a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’[c]
37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.

Matthew 24
37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;
39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

Mark 4
10 When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables.
11 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables
12 so that,
“‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’”

Mark 9
43 If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.
45 And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell.
47 And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell

Mark 16
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Luke 10
8 “When you enter a town and are welcomed, eat what is offered to you.
9 Heal the sick who are there and tell them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’
10 But when you enter a town and are not welcomed, go into its streets and say,
11 ‘Even the dust of your town we wipe from our feet as a warning to you. Yet be sure of this: The kingdom of God has come near.’
12 I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town.

Luke 12
5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.


Luke 17
29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.
30 “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed.

John 3
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Romans 1
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.
29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy.
32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

1 Corinthians 10
8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died.
9 We should not test Christ, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes.
10 And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.

Ephesians 6
5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.
7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people

2 Thessalonians 2
11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

1 Timothy 2
11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.
12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

1 Peter 2
18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

2 Peter 3
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

I'm atheist myself but find Catholicism interesting, good for you guys for putting yourself out there and spreading the word of your God.

Gotta love Leviticus

Leviticus is just death.....it's like Saudi Arabia

Save me Jebus!

I've lived in Saudi Arabia.
The law on killing participants in non-marital sex is only for those that are not virgins and six trustworthy people profess to witnessing penetration between the two parties. Also, there are similar strict guidelines for corporal punishment for robbery. These punishments are only for deterrent purposes.
The only people that are executed in Saudi Arabia are those that either commit murder of a Muslim or attempt to smuggle drugs into the country. The vast majority of Saudis support capital punishment, and it is banned from recording and/or showing these executions to minors. It is not as usually purported to be in the leftist Western and European medias.

Also, I reject the accusation that I am trolling this thread.

I respect Christianity and I respect Christians. I will not insult them or their religion.

If anyone has a problem with me professing my religion openly in this forum, please contact me in private. Thanks.

Also, I appreciate the input of people of all beliefs and faiths, whether Atheist, Christian, Muslim, Jewish or Pagan.

I have some frains.

Relm: Do you support the murder of 99%< the Earth's population again since we are getting rowdy and more unfaithful to God since the 1700s?

Colonel: Why would God make folk that no matter what, "have black hearts" and can't believe, just to sentence them to eternal Hell? That's straight out of some messed up book, where some scientist makes a lifeform and then tortures it its whole life.

I give credit to Relm for being brave enough to talk about his religion on the internet. It's a shame there always has to be a couple set people who have to stick their noses into a peaceful thread and ruin it with negativity because they don't believe.

I mean honestly, if you're an Atheist, that's fine. But why do you feel the need to post here? This is obviously a thread for religious people. Posting here just to attack religion is really petty and makes me wonder if you're in some way insecure about your own beliefs, or lack of.

Edited 10/6/2015 14:31:43

@Eklipse: I don't see where is the bravery in posting bible verse online. And if he post this on a public forum then he should expect people to disagree with him to criticize the ideas he is putting forward. If someone were pushing faschist ideas on a public forum, wouldn't you understand why someone against these ideas would feel the need to post his opinion? Well it is the same thing here. The god he is advertizing for, as shown by the very Bible verse you can find in his book, is in my opinion way worse than any totalitarian dictator there ever was on earth, and it is important to point that out every time someone tries to push this ideas on others, wich is certainly the point of this thread. If he wants to gather some christians to talk about the bible and don't want to face criticism, he can do it privately. As for your statement

Posting here just to attack religion is really petty and makes me wonder if you're in some way insecure about your own beliefs, or lack of.

This really shows the problem with religion, where religious people seem to think it is OK to push your religion unto others, but it is NOT OK to criticize religion, as if religions were sacred or something. And the fact that you choose ad hominem attacks toward atheists rather than engage in a battle of ideas probably show more about who is insecure here.

edit: Here is an exemple of what you get when people take their holy book too seriously (fortunatly, most christians around the world don't take the Bible seriously, and cherry pick the verses they like best, while ignoring the heinous and immoral ones.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_BA-KyefPQ

Edited 10/6/2015 16:21:14

I don't see where is the bravery in posting bible verse online.

It's only brave because those who refuse to hide their religion in a closet often come under fire by those like you who refuse to let people believe what they choose to believe in.

and it is important to point that out every time someone tries to push this ideas on others, wich is certainly the point of this thread.

Excuse me, but how does the existence of this thread somehow "push" ideas on to you? It's completely voluntary to click on this thread and read it's contents. The title itself should even be a warning for those who seem almost allergic to religion.

If he wants to gather some christians to talk about the bible, he can do it privately.

Actually I think he can talk about it wherever he wants. People have the right to express their religious beliefs publicly and freely. The only restriction is that they can not force their own beliefs and ideas on to you, which isn't happening here. Again, even reading this thread is voluntary, you aren't being forced to do anything. You could have just as easily ignored this thread instead of going out of your way to attack something you personally don't like.

where religious people seem to think it is OK to push your religion unto others, but it is NOT OK to criticize religion,

Again, nobody was forced to do anything. This was a thread for religious people to discuss religion, nothing more. If you aren't a religious person, than just ignore all of this.

There are two types of Atheists, and you seem to be the bad kind.

1.) Atheists who do not believe in any high power but are respectful of the beliefs of others. These Atheists will usually leave religious people alone as long as religion isn't forced upon them.

2.) Atheists who act as if any public mention of religion is an insult to them and think they're on some sort of crusade to attack religious/spiritual beliefs wherever they see it.

In real life I know many of Type 1, sadly Type 2 seems to be quite common on the internet.

And the fact that you choose ad hominem attacks toward atheists

Not true. My post was directed specifically at those who've shown up to attack religion in this very thread. I made no insults towards Atheists in general.

Edited 10/6/2015 16:29:37

well i'm going to dismiss most of your post because you are putting word in my mouth that i never said. I never said that he forced me to do anything, nor have i ever said that he couldn't talk about whatever he wants to talk. Nor do i "refuse to let him believe what he wants to believe".Just that if he does it on a PUBLIC forum, he shouldn't expect people to shut up when they disagree. If someone is wandering naked in the street, i wouldn't say that he forced me to look at his private parts, i can always look away, but he certainly pushes it unto me.

Also this thread wasn't for religious people only, if he wants to have a discussion with religious people only, then he doesn't post on a PUBLIC forum.

My post was directed specifically at those who've shown up to attack religion in this very thread

well you are just illustrating my point. What you are saying is that if one disagree with religious doctrine, then he should shut up, and if he speaks out, he must be insecure about his belief. This sounds like ad hominem attack to me, you chose to target the speaker rather than his ideas. And when you refer to his ideas, it is only to distort them.

edit: just to be clear, i'm not saying that he can't of even shouldn't pushes his religion onto other people, if he think he is right then he absolutely should push his ideas. Just don't whine when someone disagrees with you. And by the way, all i did was posting BIBLE VERSES. If you think bible verses are an attack to christianity, it seems a bit paradoxical

Edited 10/6/2015 16:54:17

, well i'm going to dismiss most of your post because you are putting word in my mouth that i never said

In other words, "I'm going to ignore everything I don't have a rebuttal for."

I never said that he forced me to do anything

where religious people seem to think it is OK to push your religion unto others

i'm not saying that he can't of even shouldn't pushes his religion onto other people, if he think he is right then he absolutely should push his ideas

You keep using the word "push" as to imply that everyone here is somehow obligated to listen. But nobody is. Everyone who came here was looking for this type of message.

nor have i ever said that he couldn't talk about whatever he wants to talk.

If he wants to gather some christians to talk about the bible and don't want to face criticism, he can do it privately.

Christians (And other religious folk) shouldn't have to go hide in a hole somewhere to discuss spiritual topics without coming under attack. If Atheists can be public with their thoughts on the matter than so can religious people.

If someone is wandering naked in the street, i wouldn't say that he forced me to look at his private parts, i can always look away, but he certainly pushes it unto me.

Your analogy is flawed. The forum is like a public street, yes. However, the topics are akin to buildings along the street. You can't see what's going on inside unless you choose to enter said building. Continuing with this analogy, you've done the equivalent of walking inside of a church just to attack the religion of the people inside when you just of easily could of ignored the church and continued walking down the street with no interruption to your life.

What you are saying is that if one disagree with religious doctrine, then he should shut up, and if he speaks out, he must be insecure about his belief

No, what I'm saying is that walking into a meeting place of religious people just to attack religion is pointless and uncalled for.

Also this thread wasn't for religious people only, if he wants to have a discussion with religious people only, then he doesn't post on a PUBLIC forum.

It's clearly tailored towards religious people, or at-least towards those who are open-minded about spiritual issues. I think you know that full well.

As for the second part, let's put it this way. Say you create a topic to discuss Atheism, inviting other Atheists to talk about it in a peaceful manner. Would it be okay for me to jump in and start attacking Atheism even though the topic wasn't meant for me in the first place?

This sounds like ad hominem attack to me, you chose to target the speaker rather than his ideas.

I've targeted the speaker's behavior, ideas, and apparent intent. That's not ad-hominem.

And by the way, all i did was posting BIBLE VERSES. If you think bible verses are an attack to christianity, it seems a bit paradoxical

You cherry picked very specific verses and then posted them without context to try and shed Christianity in the most negative light possible.