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3v3 ladder predictions: 10/2/2015 08:06:45


szeweningen 
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My 3v3 ladder prediction is that the ladder will do much better than 2v2 ladder. Now only 1 week in we have 45 teams ~= 135 active players. 2v2 ladder after years of being established has 65 teams which mean ~= 130 players. And that is only 1 week after start of the ladder.

RIP 2v2 ladder.
3v3 ladder predictions: 10/2/2015 08:20:29


Vladimir Vladimirovich 
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people were just looking for somethign new, once the first scores are established most of these teams will become inactive just like in the 2v2
3v3 ladder predictions: 10/2/2015 08:28:28


[WM] Gnuffone 
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@szew

This is essentially what I've always said for years.

If fizzer would change the 2v2 template with 4 picks, he would increase the number of teams for sure, but if he change to somethign like China 2v2 or Szeuropa, he will get a big boost in terms of teams.

Same with RT ladder: if he tweak template a little, eliminating template like EA&O or tweaking it with 0% SR i am sure more player would like to be in. And btw best thing would be, be able to pick 6 template out of 10 you want play, and get a game with one of those 6 template you picked from the polls of 10.

IMO, this 3v3 ladder is by far the best ever ladder, as template, fun and measure of overall skill.

Edited 10/2/2015 08:29:49
3v3 ladder predictions: 10/2/2015 09:38:03


Strategos
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ps wants uservoice links for any ideas offered.

HHH, if I could, I would have booted you from the game after turn 3 or 4, when you were completely hopeless. Skunk's team made me eliminate everyone. It feels like you are doing the same.

Edited 10/2/2015 13:40:19
3v3 ladder predictions: 10/2/2015 12:17:08


Beren Erchamion 
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I'm not sure the number of teams will go up. If anything they may go down once the novelty wears off.
3v3 ladder predictions: 10/2/2015 12:23:29

Pulsey
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Indeed. Notwithstanding the popularity of the EU 3v3 template, once the novelty appeal goes, the number of teams will most likely decrease, in my opinion. Then everybody will be looking new things. Maybe if we look a few years down the road, we'll have a new ladder.

If only Qi would be around to pester and petition for a new ladder then... a shame he declared to leave after his ragequit a while ago... :/
3v3 ladder predictions: 10/2/2015 13:07:19

Burning River
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Qi, i didnt have time play with my 3 nicks at time anymore, i will go into vacation for 50 days, after this i will do same with other nick, later i will take turn every time 2 days 22 hours and you will eliminate me after 1 year, so you will be ranked at best after year too. And this is your choice. Of course i will surrender in the others ladder games before it (Altough against gnuff puppet i will be booted, he isnt worth my surrender like you)
3v3 ladder predictions: 10/2/2015 13:45:14


Strategos
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Neither "ragequit" nor "nick" are words. I think I need to provide more Sesame Street links, to help educate the masses.

About the thread's topic:

- Pulsey talks about a gradual decline in the number of teams as "the novelty appeal [sic] goes [sic]." I disagree. The number of players who understand, enjoy, and play 3v3 Europe has increased with time over the years. Having autogames and a ladder will only add to 3v3 Europe's popularity.

- Szeweningen lauds the total number of teams. This is shameful statistical analysis from a purported economist who loves math. If I control three accounts, that does not mean there are three players on my team. There is but one, me.

- I think this ladder will be far more fluid than the 2v2 ladder, and the average "shelf life" of a team will be less. Teams with one player will provide stability to the ladder. It is probably more preferable to have one-player teams on the 3v3 as opposed to the 2v2 ladder: the settings are better (greater willingness to play alone); there is more to talk about (some of us don't have time to discuss things in great detail or live in time zones that would not make communication with teammates especially efficient); and having two teammates increases the likelihood of boots.

- Nonetheless, the accounting work is greater, so this is the downside of playing alone. Thankfully, HHH is willing to delay surrendering for the rest of his "WarLife," so my game count will actually be 1. This will reduce the burden of being my own accountant.

- I think Awesomeguy's list is the most accurate. There are too many unknown teams.

Edited 10/2/2015 14:06:22
3v3 ladder predictions: 10/2/2015 14:02:22

Heyheuhei 
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np, glad to help for ya
3v3 ladder predictions: 10/2/2015 14:03:32


ChrisCMU 
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Yeah, it will have lasting appeal IMO.

And yes, I am borrowing nich account (only for those games, he is in a few non ladder ones), because my other alt is only level 33.
3v3 ladder predictions: 10/2/2015 14:15:32

Pulsey
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Neither "ragequit" nor "nick" are words. I think I need to provide more Sesame Street links, to help educate the masses.


I don't quite like Sesame Street, how about some works from da Vici instead? Maybe the Moa Lisa? Thats a nice painting.

Edited 10/2/2015 14:16:13
3v3 ladder predictions: 10/2/2015 16:18:28


Strategos
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If you want something written by da Vinci, you need a mirror.

http://legacy.mos.org/sln/Leonardo/LeonardoRighttoLeft.html

Edited 10/2/2015 18:34:20
3v3 ladder predictions: 10/2/2015 16:27:00

Pulsey
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I still prefer works from da Vici. Preferably the Moa Lisa.
3v3 ladder predictions: 10/2/2015 16:43:07


[IM]YouMustBeKidding
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Did turtle or I say something that offended you? Why don't you make your own list and put yourself on the top? Nobody cares. It's just for entertainment.

I deserve to get an auto spot at the top of each and every list.
3v3 ladder predictions: 10/2/2015 17:03:44


Strategos
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3v3 ladder predictions...

Edited 10/2/2015 18:35:45
3v3 ladder predictions: 10/2/2015 18:19:11

Pulsey
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^I guess i'll edit my post as well...

Edited 10/3/2015 06:48:48
3v3 ladder predictions: 10/3/2015 02:11:35


Master Turtle 
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IMYOUMUSTBEKIDDING

Dude these are all just fun random predictions. Well not random but 100% bias.... I was asked to give my opinions so I did. How about you make your own list and perhaps argue why its better than mine OR quit bashing on me cause you got nothing...

Thanks MoD =)
3v3 ladder predictions: 10/3/2015 02:41:48


Benjamin628 
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Fizzer should use this to make 2v2 ladder Matchups :)
Sorry for messy code, you can tell which part I made and which part knyte made.

Edit: Fizzer should not use this to make 2v2 ladder matchups. Fizzer should use the top function for template picking :)
import random
players = []
# can be used in Format of "A, B & C" for Teams
templates=[Guiroma 2v2, Szeurope 2v2, China 2v2, etc]
def tempPicker():
    random.shuffle(templates
    return templates[0]


def generateRandomTeams(players, teamSize=2):
    # given a list of players and a desired team size,
    # generates said teams, returned as a list of tuples
    random.shuffle(players)
    teams = [] # creates an empty list to store team tuples
    if len(players) % teamSize != 0:
        pass # handle extra players here
        # ignore this section if you just want to trim random extras
    numTeams = len(players) / teamSize 
    # calculates # of teams, ignoring extras 
    # (at this point, they're out of the picture)
    for x in xrange(numTeams): # goes from 0 to numTeams - 1
        team = list() # generates an empty list to store team members
        for i in xrange(teamSize): # goes from 0 to teamSize - 1
            team.append(players[(teamSize*x)+i]) # adds a player to the team
            # you might have noticed that they follow a pattern
            # for each team, you first add the player at the index
            # teamSize * teamNumber (x) + 0 (the +0 is important)
            # and last add a player at the index
            # teamSize * teamNumber (x) + (teamSize - 1)
            # for example, with two teams it's player 2*x [0,2,4...]
            # and player 2*x + 1 [1,3,5]
            # this for loop lets you iterate from 0 to teamSize - 1
            # while the outer for loop lets you iterate 
            # from team 0 to the final team
        teams.append(tuple(team)) 
        # adds the tuple (player1,...,playerN) to the list of teams
    return teams

def printRandomTeams(players, teamSize=2, separator=" vs "):
    teams = generateRandomTeams(players, teamSize)
    # generates the random teams
    for i in xrange(len(teams)): # goes from 0 to numTeams
        # section below uses string formatting
        # you should check it out if you haven't already
        teamStr = "Game %d: " % (i+1) # just gives you a team number
        for player in teams: 
            # teams[i*] is just the i-th team in the list
            teamStr += "%s%s" % (player, separator) 
            # adds a player name and an " & " (separator)
        teamStr = teamStr[:-(len(separator))] + " - " + tempPicker()
        # eliminates last " & " because no more players
        # recall that a str[:-(x)] is just that string
        # without its last x elements 
        print teamStr
printRandomTeams(players)


Edited 10/3/2015 02:42:48
3v3 ladder predictions: 10/3/2015 07:30:21


[IM]YouMustBeKidding
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Dude these are all just fun random predictions. Well not random but 100% bias.... I was asked to give my opinions so I did. How about you make your own list and perhaps argue why its better than mine OR quit bashing on me cause you got nothing...

Well, you can't just make a list about the best 100 meter runners and don't add Usain Bolt in the top 10.

1. laura, Norman, [IM]YouMustBeKidding
2-X: You guys fight it out. I believe this guy with the typo in the username (Da Vici) has good chances.
3v3 ladder predictions: 10/3/2015 13:49:01


Vulpes
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How many teams have done this?

3v3 Europe Ladder has been created! Yes! I want five games at a time!

Games start. We didn't have accountants ready. Damn. Too much data. 2 games at a time.
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