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Nations Cup 2016?: 9/30/2015 18:56:27


wakanarai 
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I'm thinking about bringing the Nations Cup back but of course some things might change like the setup for the amount of games but i will go into detail about it later in this post.

History
Back in August 2013 the second edition of the Nations Cup was organized by Dunga (https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=955485421) and Fridge (https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=794598733)
Early 2014 the organisators became less active with managing the Cup and soon there wasn't any order left.

I hope this info is correct since i just got it from the Wiki and 1 specific forum thread i could find.



New Season
I'm thinking about changing the format slightly. It used to be 4 1v1, 2 2v2, 2 3v3 and 1 5v5 games and i was actually planning on decreasing the amount of 1v1's and 3v3's by 1 each.

Why this way you would ask. I was thinking about making a list of 1v1 and 2v2 templates where each team would pick 1 template from which they would like to play in that specific round (can differ each round). This would also mean that there is 1 1v1 template and the 3v3 and 5v5 templates left which will be templates that have to be played.

general concept:
3 1v1's (each team picks 1 template out of list from multiple preset templates and a 3rd template which is predetermined and will be played in each game)
2 2v2's (each team picks 1 template out of list from multiple preset templates)
1 3v3 (predetermined template)
1 5v5 (predetermined template)

This way there are 15 slots to be filled in total with at least 5 players


Rules:
- No alts allowed (only play with main account)
- Each team consists out of at least 5 players
- Each Player can play in 4 games at most during a round
- All players in a Team must be from the same country or cluster of countries (for example: Australia and New Zealand used to be 1 team; USA has so many players that they will be split into East, Central and West; Belgium has 2 main languages being French and Dutch which gives the French speakers the right to play for France/Wallonia and the Dutch speakers the right to play for Netherlands/Flanders)
- Between each round you can change the 1v1 and 2v2 template of your choice (as team)
- There will be a cap of 4 teams each country/cluster (might get increased depending on interest but this is to prevent countries/clusters from facing each other (internal battles) until the semi finals)



If something is still not clear just feel free to ask and this is just a concept so if you think there might be better ideas just post them, i'm free for any input and this is first just to gauge how the interest for a new season is
Nations Cup 2016?: 9/30/2015 18:59:13


Sephiroth 
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I like it!
Nations Cup 2016?: 9/30/2015 19:26:52


ChrisCMU 
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I'd play, and run a West USA team if needed.

My issue with last time is a couple nations are powerhouses though (like Poland, Germany) in terms of WL elite players, though that might change with retirements, etc.

Splitting USA means you should also maybe split more (I think Poland, UK are top 3 in activity of players on WL actually).

Here is the old bracket (looks like it was never filled out all the way, not sure if they finished it):
http://challonge.com/2ndnc

Here is the old thread with players:
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/6331-2nd-nations-cup-final-list-teams-players

Edited 9/30/2015 19:39:51
Nations Cup 2016?: 9/30/2015 19:32:49

Quicksand 
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Huge work here
Nations Cup 2016?: 9/30/2015 20:22:27


Jefferspin 
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This would be great. Id be interested in playing for US Central if a team is put together.
Nations Cup 2016?: 9/30/2015 20:31:25


wakanarai 
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Chris times have changed since then, on page 8 there is a link to a spreadsheet with the lineups from every team but i agree that Germany and Poland (1) were very scary back then (i actually played vs Poland 1 in 1st round)

If you really want i can make USA just 1 region or just do East and West without a Central just to have a more even split on average
Nations Cup 2016?: 9/30/2015 20:40:36


Kenny • apex 
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It was also awkward when it came time to decide where states went. Texas could be considered South or Central.

I don't really have the time to lead a team but I'd be willing to play.
Nations Cup 2016?: 9/30/2015 20:44:31


master of desaster 
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I'd play too... do i have to play for germany? :/
Nations Cup 2016?: 9/30/2015 20:51:00


[WM] Gnuffone 
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or for italy xD
Nations Cup 2016?: 9/30/2015 20:52:28


hedja 
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Hopefully it doesn't prove like too much work waka. I'm happy playing for the UK or Spain
Nations Cup 2016?: 9/30/2015 20:54:20


master of desaster 
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Rather france then... like 10km beside my town they are speaking french already
Nations Cup 2016?: 9/30/2015 20:56:50


iNsAnE
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u live like 15 mins from me and we still didnt have a nice drink together.

shame on u mod
Nations Cup 2016?: 9/30/2015 20:59:53


master of desaster 
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Wakanarais nation cup connects people! :P
Nations Cup 2016?: 9/30/2015 21:03:44


iNsAnE
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lol

i hope u r not talking about that connection... . :-)
Nations Cup 2016?: 9/30/2015 21:07:12


Timinator • apex 
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2nd Nations Cup died out :(
Nations Cup 2016?: 9/30/2015 21:29:00

Quicksand 
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5vs5 was disaster as i remmeber: vacations, booted players, retiring players, kids. Smaller teams with must have reserve player would be nicer, teams with captains and vice captains, strict rules(deadlines to start games or team ban) also would be nice

Edited 9/30/2015 21:30:43
Nations Cup 2016?: 9/30/2015 21:59:34

Master Bjarke
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I think it is a great idea - And I am totally in. Can be captain if needed. I'm from Denmark btw - just need there right now :P. If not a Danish team I'm sure we can make a scandinavian one :)
Nations Cup 2016?: 10/1/2015 01:32:03


TBest 
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Actually the size of a nation is not necessarily an advantage. I mean NORWAY!!! won the 1st nations cup, and were in good shape to do so in the 2nd (arguably favorites, due to the 1st victory)

{Yeon, being the very importent Captain for the team}

Point is, no need to split the US , however you might still want more US teams to fill up the bracket, so allow each nation to participate with multiple teams.

The first Nations Cup
Gruop Stage: http://warlite.wikia.com/wiki/Nations_Cup_2012
Playoffs : http://warlite.wikia.com/wiki/Nations_Cup_2012_Playoffs

Edited 10/1/2015 02:18:28
Nations Cup 2016?: 10/1/2015 05:48:16


wakanarai 
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Actually the size of a nation is not necessarily an advantage. I mean NORWAY!!! won the 1st nations cup, and were in good shape to do so in the 2nd (arguably favorites, due to the 1st victory)

{Yeon, being the very importent Captain for the team}

Point is, no need to split the US , however you might still want more US teams to fill up the bracket, so allow each nation to participate with multiple teams.

I already put in my post a limit from 4 each country which will be easy to get for countries like France, Germany, Spain and Brazil just like USA if you keep all of them together.


5vs5 was disaster as i remenber: vacations, booted players, retiring players, kids. Smaller teams with must have reserve player would be nicer, teams with captains and vice captains, strict rules(deadlines to start games or team ban) also would be nice

Yea i was planning on each team having 1 captain which would be the point of contact for me.
Also i was thinking about allowing "new" players to join teams after each round. Players can only play 1 team at most so you can't play 1st round for 3rd team and then 2nd round for the 2nd team. This way the team captain can get to know who can play how many games and change his lineups according to the knowledge.


I'd play too... do i have to play for germany? :/

How about a possible Austria/Switzerland team, that should be a possibility. Both countries speak German as main language so this shouldn't be any sort of problem in communication.
Nations Cup 2016?: 10/1/2015 05:57:36


Timinator • apex 
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motd doesn't want to play with me, i got the message :(
Nations Cup 2016?: 10/1/2015 06:10:09


master of desaster 
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MotD would play for USA. Why shold he want to play with you timi? :P

I think i could live with germany too :D
Nations Cup 2016?: 10/1/2015 14:03:42


ChrisCMU 
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MotD can play on my team for sure (he'd be in the same region).

I'm not sure this should be divided by ethnicity or any other non-political boundary. That can become pretty messy IMO. Then it is not really a "nations" cup at all. I don't have a problem with combining nations that would otherwise not be able to field a team though (say Australia/NZ).

My thought would be first get a list of participants so you can estimate who can field a full team or not, then combine nations as needed.
Nations Cup 2016?: 10/2/2015 01:36:45


Ragnarok
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+1
Nations Cup 2016?: 10/2/2015 01:56:10


Benjamin628 
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I'll play
Nations Cup 2016?: 10/2/2015 03:00:38


Master Turtle 
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I'll play!

Also I think the countries that get clustered together is fine but don't split up a country by regions and stuff. =(
Nations Cup 2016?: 10/2/2015 14:10:04


Ctrl Alt Delete ♦ …ĆeLite ♦ 
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Great idea, but i was wondering if someone could play al 1v1 games. I think i would like to see that atleast 2 players have to play a 1v1 or so
Nations Cup 2016?: 10/3/2015 16:52:20


wakanarai 
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@CAD: The 1v1 games will be most likely on 3 different settings (at least 2) so it should be unlikely that 1 player is the best in all of those settings but i can understand your point there
Nations Cup 2016?: 10/6/2015 15:39:36


ChrisCMU 
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So is this going to happen?

I would say USA should just be east west (use Mississippi River). We did east/west/central last time and it spread it a bit to thin, plus where do you divide things 3 ways in US? What is Central vs West?

Or you could ignore regions, just keep it at the nation level, but make some sort of limitation on team composition to try and even things out a bit and give other nations a chance. Maybe you have a gold trophy limit per team or something (like maybe 10 total per team allowed). So if a nation has 5 elite players with 3-4 trophies each, they may have to put 3 on a team and 2 on another team.

I like the idea of spreading out the elite players a bit, since last time around we had to seed the teams so that two powerhouses would not meet early and knock 1 out. If things were spread a bit more, and more nations could compete, you could skip trying to do any seeds and just leave it at luck of the draw.


Also, I think maybe a small group can talk about templates or something as well. As mentioned, the 5v5 did not go that well last time around.

Edited 10/6/2015 15:48:55
Nations Cup 2016?: 10/6/2015 20:39:49


Potatoe
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I propose Ireland Joins up with the UK for a team?
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