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Main Topic: Fizzer.: 9/13/2015 01:51:23


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Reason I've created is just to get everyones opinion about their experiance.

Where can it be improved? This can be valuable information for fizzer but as well as just us getting our opinions as "Mention Fizzer has become a theme" In recent topics.

Don't Insult Just give constructive feedback.
Main Topic: Fizzer.: 9/13/2015 01:59:15


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I will start off.

My Experiance of Warlight has been good considering it is a small game (You can't expect big experiances can you?)

But it has been good. Not very good and I will explain now.

Real-Time ladders are a good Idea. There are templates there that everyone just hates.. And the fact that they are still there is just really annoying to me and to others.. Makes me want to not play real-time ladder. Although there are some great templates there!

Clans = Good social experiance but it is and always will be a social experiance. How do we judge which clans are better? Socially we do but there is no system to tell us otherwise.

Forums = Poorly moderated. The fact that it takes a day for porn images to be removed from the forums is just unspeakable. It has ruined many fun off-topic games and is just not wanted or just nothing that people have seen. It is just really unfair on people to see this.

I won't go into more topics.. I honestly think he's is his own worst enemy. I thought the rule of buisness was "The Customer is always right" But Fizzer must think other-wise as one he didn't change the templates.. Didn't invoke a proper clan system (Although I can understand but Still should be an argument put out there) and Hasn't maintained a proper grip on the forums.
Main Topic: Fizzer.: 9/13/2015 02:00:11


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Forgot to say..

I don't feel a bonding with the creator and the community. Which is a recipe for a declining game....

As problems will mount and players will be unhappy?

Whats your opinion? Do you agree?
Main Topic: Fizzer.: 9/13/2015 02:09:39


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"I thought the rule of business was "The Customer is always right" But Fizzer must think otherwise"
I think Fizzer is following the same model as Apple. AKA, the customer don't know what features they prefer.

Fizzer regularly connects with people through FOrum posts, live streams (both as a host and as a watcher) and games. + Blog posts. However considering the number of players, it is next to impossible to "be there" for everyone.

When it comes to the forum... seems like he have to consider STRONGLY whether moderators should be able to do more. I think this is partly caused by WL growing, meaning more "bad posters" are now present.

After all his main job is to code the website, not do customer support. He might be able to give the feel of a more "on point" WL staff, by making moderators a bigger part of the moderation. Both as a contact point for players, and being able to do (at a minimum) to hide posts.

Edited 9/13/2015 02:13:35
Main Topic: Fizzer.: 9/13/2015 02:14:35


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I agree, But..

Apple is a huge mega-million company. How is it possible to know what features the consumer wants?

Warlight? I think It's a good idea to know which feature is needed to be added next.

But issues like Real-Time templates and forums.. Should be a non-brainer.

Forums are kept clean as a whistle by good moderation.

The current moderators don't have tools only the ability to move them.
Main Topic: Fizzer.: 9/13/2015 02:31:18


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"I don't feel a bonding with the creator and the community. "

I disagree, I've seen many a time (in my short experience of WL) when Fizzer has interacted with the WL community. He hosts Q+A streams on twitch where people can ask him absolutely anything and raise any issues they have with him directly. He seems to welcome feedback. He even popped his head into a tourney stream on twitch today to say hello to his community!. How often do you find games designers doing that?!?

Obviously you can't please everyone in a game like this, so if he has chosen to go against the wishes of a few players, it is because he thinks it will be better for the game and for all players and not the fact that he is ignoring players. Of course he wants his game to be successful but he wants it to be fair for all. Sometimes people have great suggestions but they only work for a select minority or might work in theory but not in practice. I think people need to look at possible reasons why he doesn't implement certain ideas and not just jump to the conclusion that he is ignoring what people want just because a select few have suggested something. If you have any suggestions, issues or complaints, I suggest participating in one of his Q+A sessions on twitch sometime where you can talk to him one on one.
Main Topic: Fizzer.: 9/13/2015 02:35:59

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He hosts Q+A streams on twitch where people can ask him absolutely anything


I've only seen 1 Q+A session. I have no idea what happened in it. That's not good bonding.

but they only work for a select minority


You mean like Forum moderation and the ToS being followed? ;).


Fizzers big problem
It seems that he has a hard time trusting anybody with actual power to do stuff here.

Edited 9/13/2015 02:36:11
Main Topic: Fizzer.: 9/13/2015 02:52:31


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OH GOD THATS HORRIBLE
Main Topic: Fizzer.: 9/13/2015 02:55:28


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Well someone's about to get banned.

As for Fizzer, I think he's doing a good job. And when it comes to software development, the customer is very frequently wrong - they often really *don't* know what they want. They think they do, but once you deliver it, they often say "oh... I don't really want that after all"
Main Topic: Fizzer.: 9/13/2015 03:13:52


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Warlight? I think It's a good idea to know which feature is needed to be added next.


It is impossible to decide which feature should be updated next on warlight - literally hundreds of different things are "must haves" for different members of the community, so if he does something to do with clans clanless players won't care. Something to do with diplos and "strategic" (here strategic = does not like diplos) won't care etc. etc.

I don't think it is that feasible for the forums to be moderated that closely since none of the moderators are paid a dime - and the off topic part of the forum has just been steadily decreasing in worth recently so no-one really cares about it, will be interesting to see how quick the person above gets removed ^^.

On a side-note it's spelt experience not experiance.

It's possible you don't feel a bonding with Fizzer because you only joined a few months ago? I've personally played 4 1v1s with him over the past 3 years in tournaments / 1 for a quick chat, and from his Q&As you can ask him anyhting you want to - if any other game developer (developing a game with the success warlight has) was doing the same I would be very surprised.
Main Topic: Fizzer.: 9/13/2015 03:24:48

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Well someone's about to get banned.


Yeah, second suspension lol. (They have been "Suspended" again but the porn is still around haha)

I don't think it is that feasible for the forums to be moderated that closely since none of the moderators are paid a dime


The Warlight community have a few trustworthy members who would more than happily help moderate the forums for free.

The problem is that the apparent moderators around have 0 power to actually do anything other than (From what I know) move a thread.

Interns may also be an option (But that's out of my knowledge.)

Edit: Problems like NL up there will only get worse if Fizzer gets his player base boom with Warzone. Something needs to be done asap.
(I do hope I'm wrong about that as I'd rather not shout "I TOLD YOU SO" lol.)

Edited 9/13/2015 04:09:56
Main Topic: Fizzer.: 9/13/2015 04:02:13


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Interns aren't really possible. There's no prestige at interning for Fizzer, and the experience of moderating the forums certainly wouldn't make the time worthwhile.

Community leaders are sometimes a feasible option, but often runs into the problem of power going to people's heads, etc. Without a paycheque on the line, it's hard to guard against that.

It's possible that you could have something more akin to a council where mods would review suspensions and determine whether they were appropriate, potentially lifting them early if they weren't, or lengthening them. Perhaps, for example, mods could issue 1-day suspensions to people that would then get reviewed and if a longer one was warranted, the council leaders could extend it (i.e. have a small number of people with stronger ban ability). The council could also temporarily/permanently remove a mod who was abusing their power and recommend a replacement to Fizzer.
Main Topic: Fizzer.: 9/13/2015 12:23:30


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I think the problem is that the people who are trustworthy enough to moderate the forums don't read the forums as often as others here would like. Mainly because it's often just boring repetitive stuff being posted here. The way to get it removed fastest is reporting the player I think, and maybe if moderators could see some of the reports to do with forum posts while they are online then that could make their job faster as they wouldn't have to be searching for the culprit.
Main Topic: Fizzer.: 9/13/2015 13:03:51


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He is one man people. The reason it takes a day to remove it is he needs to find out and then get to it. Him getting it out in a day is actually very fast.
Main Topic: Fizzer.: 9/13/2015 13:15:07

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Le Count: Unfortunately people like yourself are part of the problem.
Instead of accepting that change NEEDS to happen for the betterment of the game and community you instead just defend Fizzer because he's "One man" (which is also false as Mercer exists) and instead say that what is currently happening is fine... It's obviously not and we need to act and create more measures.

Change the rules or sort a system to enforce them asap. Do we really want the game to get as popular as Fizzer wants/expects and for gaming "Sites" or "Magazines" to give a negative reflection of the game because of how the forums are? That could kill the game.


Erghh I'm going to go back to being quiet. I've been chanting this crap for too long now.
Main Topic: Fizzer.: 9/13/2015 13:29:47


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Fizzer is like the guy in The Little Prince that is always doing something and never finishing it.
Main Topic: Fizzer.: 9/13/2015 13:47:12

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Ladders were altered before in a voting, real-time as well. Maybe they will be voted again sometime, who knows, you can't make everyone happy.

Clans involve small minority of the player base, which puts them lower on priority than other things. Clan changes are somewhere on the roadmap, Fizzer himself said it many times.

Forum is moderated on acceptable level. Not great, or even good, just acceptable. Maybe moderators should be able to move threads to the section (bin) visible only to moderators and Fizzer himself. How many moderators are there anyway?

I think It's a good idea to know which feature is needed to be added next.

Fizzer keep many things to himself (for good reasons), including his response to most issues and suggestions (which sometime ago has changed for top uservoice ideas).

I don't feel a bonding with the creator and the community

Heh. You don't feel the bonding with the community because you were here for 3 month. You wrote more than most people in years, and I think you expect others to be just as active as you are. I would say you have rather poor view on how things work here. WL is 5 years old, it's doing rather fine considering how many old players are still around.
Main Topic: Fizzer.: 9/13/2015 13:51:47


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Well than my opinion is wrong..

I don't know what I'm saying anymore -_- I just posted some crap to get a discussion going... Feel free to point out the flaws but that post was just to kick-start the discussion. I will not post anymore on this thread though as maybe you are right.
Main Topic: Fizzer.: 9/13/2015 14:18:28


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Today is my 1 year warlight anniversary, and I can say Fizzer has done a lot for the community. Here is a list of things that happened in my 1 year period done by Fizzer:

- Coins (Which I can't use)
- I think the ladder poll a week before I joined warlight
- Livestreaming
- Just keeping the game running
- 10 Second Warlight Games
- RT Tournaments
- AI Challange 2
- Map of the Week
- Kongregate (Interesting how I found warlight on Kongregate like 3 hours after it was launched)
- New Tournament UI
- 3 Seasonal Ladders
Main Topic: Fizzer.: 9/13/2015 14:27:26


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Happy birthday Benjamin! :)
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