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Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/11/2015 18:16:48


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Since someone else made a thread about who was the worst warlight player, I thought it would be a good idea to discuss who might be the best 1v1 strategic player.
To clarify the question, by strategic I mean that to consider a game's result, the template must have a maximum of 16% WR luck , picking must require some skills, and there must be more than one picking senario. By strategic I also mean that the player should be able to adapt to different playstyles and that the pool of players agaisnt who he or she plays does matter (Because ya, winning agaisnt Summer is worth far more than winning against me ;)).

So here are my suggestions (these are subjective and relative to the little experience i've got in Warlight) :

- Timinator: After looking at many of his games on the ladders, the deepness of his thought process, his unbelievable prediction skills and his high level of creativity are stunning. 1rst on 2v2, 1v1 and RT; 85% winrate in a pool of damn good players.

- Szeweningen: The God of picking. I remember watching a game of Professor dead piggy vs Summer in streaming with Szeweningen commenting, where he discussed the possible picks on the map for about 2 hours, from the use of the leftovers to the dynamic of the picks 5 turns deep. Also, Szeweningen's objetive analysis skills also apply more than well to his general gameplay, making him whithout any doubt one of warlight's most skilled players.

- Summer: constant 1rst on the 1v1 ladder, reached 1rst on all ladders (excluding seasonals), she has shown more than once how well she could adapt to different playstyles and she generally plays really solid.

- Professor dead piggy: Always in the top 5 of the ladders, Professor dead piggy plays really solid over all, but I must say that his counterpicks are wonderful and that he has the balls to hard counterpick (picking a territory that has a wasteland in it and that is only of use to counter an other bonus), being really often right.

- Krzychu: Top of coin leader board in nearly all seasons, at my knowledge Krzychu is one of the most feared coin games' player and the little I know about him is that he's a really top player, that he had many beautiful runs in tournaments and that I really don't know how to pronounce his name :p (Maybe someone could help me with polish pronunciation).

- master of desaster: Once again first on 1v1, 2v2 and RT ladders, master of desaster is one of the top players with a style of his own, who I believe to be very polivalent, althought I have only seen about 5 of his games in which he played in a somewhat unexpected, but very very effective way.

A few names might be lacking here, particularly the other players on the top of the ladders, and a few members of the Master, Apex and WG clans, but the little to no experience i've had of their play makes me unable to judge them.

And so, who do you think should be considered the top 1v1 strategic player?
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/11/2015 18:24:11


Fleecemaster 
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I reckon a computer could beat all of them.
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/11/2015 18:24:16


Bayern München is the best!
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master of desaster
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/11/2015 18:24:47


Bayern München is the best!
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Lol...you near to say you can beat them when they are team and you alone?

Edited 9/11/2015 18:25:53
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/11/2015 18:29:56


Fleecemaster 
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Me vs all of them? Yeah, that might be close to a fair game, I'd have to give them a head start though.
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/11/2015 18:33:55


Bayern München is the best!
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lol....
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/11/2015 18:45:39


Timinator • apex 
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Latnox can be a beast too. Just check the last season.
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/11/2015 18:46:01


master of desaster 
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i need to get back to the roots then... only 5 games i did something unexpected? :( i'm getting rusty
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/11/2015 18:56:16


Kenny • apex 
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I always have maintained Timi is the best 1v1 player I've ever seen. His prediction skills are downright infuriating and he picks as well as (if not better than) Szew.

I think Latnox comes to a close 2nd. When that dude is hot, no one is beating him, literally. Look at his runs, they're downright impossible scenarios that he's gone undefeated in. I don't think he's as consistent as he can be (Look at Clan League records, other leagues etc.) but holy shit when he's on a streak he goes nuts. That's the only reason why I would argue Timi is better. If you look at the event records (WGL, Clan League, WSOW, etc.), Timi outperforms Latnox quite often.

Widzisz is a major dark horse that no one mentions. I find it funny when I see Widzisz trying out something new on the ladder, then eventually the meta shifts and people start doing things Widzisz was playing around with. I think that shows how much of an impact Widzisz is when it comes to 1v1 strategic templates. He literally forces people to think of new strategies and bizarre situations and change their strategies. Problem is he can't seem to get rank 1.

So if you see top players doing something weird, go look at Widzisz' games about a month before and you'll see something very similar being played.
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/11/2015 18:59:36


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@Timinator Wow, what a nice run Latnox had, crazy rating. I'll try to find a few of his games to try to analyse, any suggestions?
@ master of desaster lol, I also remember playing with you (well against you) in a team game, and you did nothing bizare :p You must be really rusty ;)
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/11/2015 19:02:38


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ieatpubes
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/11/2015 19:04:38


Bayern München is the best!
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Latnox made an unbeaten season!
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/11/2015 19:07:07


MindPalace
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@ Lolowut
I think i've never seen any Widzisz's game, will give it a look.

About Latnox, had anyone ever got an higher rating? It is trully impressive.
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/11/2015 19:14:38


Kenny • apex 
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@Mind
Naah, Latnox has the highest recorded rating in 1v1 ladder, Seasonal, and RT ladder. :P He's insane.

Ahh I'm wrong on RT ladder, but I'm betting he would if he tried long enough.

Edited 9/11/2015 19:19:26
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/11/2015 19:24:04


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@Lolowut
Wow, truly impressive.

Ya, plus the RT ladder is not so active recently, shouldn't be hard to get for any elite player.
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/11/2015 19:26:29


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the highest record is just impossible to break anymore on the rt ladder. highest Rating you can get if you start from scratch is 2150. if someone proves me wrong i'll be impressed
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/11/2015 19:42:03

Widzisz • apex 
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Don't listen to Lolowut. I never got rank 1 (not even rank 10 lately) simply because I'm not that good. I achieved nothing. I don't think people watch my games that much, if they do, it's not to be inspired, moreso to be amused.

Don't put me among these people Lolowut, pretty please.
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/11/2015 19:47:13

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Interesting topic and one open for a lot of speculation. It did get me thinking ....How did I do against all these top players in 1v1 matchups?
I went thru and added up the wins and losses and surprisingly did better than expected.
JV V Timmy 2-1
JV v Latnox 1-1
JV v Krzychu 4-4
JV v MOD 5-4
JV v Piggy 2-0
JV v SZE 0-0 (never played a 1v1 game)
JV v Widzisz 0-1
JV v Summer 0-1 (She was nice enough to challenge me to a game my first month in Warlight when I thought I was good. Wow did I get my ass kicked.)

Edited 9/11/2015 19:48:11
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/11/2015 21:04:03


Kenny • apex 
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See Widzisz? JV went positive vs Timi, but got smashed by you. TAKE MY PRAISE DAMMIT.

I think you missed a 0 on your record vs Widzisz. We all know it's really 0-10.

Edited 9/11/2015 21:04:32
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/11/2015 21:08:21


Ragnarok
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My vote goes for Timinator aswell.
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/11/2015 21:56:06


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well my personal vote goes to Timi or Szeweningen. I might have some nice ratings, but it's like lolo stated - only If I'm focused enough. For some reason I'm not always giving my 100%,

Although I haven't played against them in last 2 years on Start ME, my ratings against both of them are not so impressive:

Timinatior vs Latnox (1v1) 6:0
Szeweningen vs Latnox (1v1) 1:0

also Widzisz maybe is a bit rusty now, but I've learned alot from him back then and I was afraid him like hell

Widzisz - nie przesadzaj. Jeszcze nie dawno rządziłeś na dzielni :D

Also there are some players, that just should be mentioned here regardless of what opinion they have now. Like HHH, myhand, Gnuffone, Fridge, Timon
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/12/2015 00:11:43


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'By strategic I mean that the player should be able to adapt to different playstyles' well clearly thats timi. Me summer and krzychu dont belong in that list at all, we can really only do one template, and we play pretty much the same whoever we are against.
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/12/2015 00:19:03


AyanM 
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My vote goes to Norman
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/12/2015 00:20:39


hedja 
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Looks like everyone is forgetting Billy Walsh, we've already established he is the best player warlight has ever seen.
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/12/2015 00:22:27


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Gruffone, Master of the Dead, and Qi should all be added to this list.

MotD has 2nd place on all laters (not that he cares about ranks) but he also performs well on seasonals and stuff. Just look it up.

Gnuffone has been a well rounded top player for years. Yes he has had some 'ethical' issues but everything he's gotten from cheating he's done just as well at without cheating.

Qi has the real time ladder rating record. As the founder of 20 he has to be badass. He's topped all ladders (not seasonal) and is still actively playing.

My top 3 strategic players of today:
1. Latnox
2. Timinator
3. Master of Deseaster
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/12/2015 00:42:59


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I reckon a computer could beat all of them.

On 0%SR, NLC, No Fog, No Wastelands, Not random warlords... any of the AIs made for warlight wouldn't even come close.
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/12/2015 01:04:23


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@mod,an alt nameed Yves had a run of 2403 points on rt ladder

My top 3 strategic players of today:
1.Szeweningen
2.Timinator
3.Latnox
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/12/2015 03:24:41

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I think this is a very interesting question and not one that is easily answered. I don't believe one player stands out above the rest based purely on 1v1 play. That said, I believe there are only a few players who really have a claim as being the best:

Latnox: His 1v1 ladder run is the best run ever seen on the 1v1 ladder. His Seasonal performance this season was also extremely impressive. His realtime ladder performance is also strong, although not as strong as many others. I personally know very little about his style or his play so can't give a qualitative analysis.

Szeweningen: The king of the realtime ladder early on. He has taken #1 on 1v1 in the past but hasn't played it recently. I believe his activity is his biggest detriment. He's definitely a player to be wary of, and he must be included in this list. He seems to make fewer mistakes than any other player and his play has a certain beauty to it.

Gnuffone: Gotten a 2300+ run with one account on the realtime ladder, and 2200+ with his main (which started out well below 2100). He has taken #1 many times on the 1v1 ladder. He also won a seasonal with his alt. I believe Gnuffone's technical skill is below most of the other players listed here, but his ability to correctly predict opponents is likely the best in the game.

Timinator: He has taken #1 on all 3 individual ladders, although none with outstanding ratings. Just taking #1 on all 3 is a huge accomplishment though, and if he tried to make a big run on the 1v1 ladder, I believe he could achieve 2300+ without much trouble. He is often where you least expect him, and his games are interesting and fun to watch.

Gui: I don't know whether or not he belongs here. But his 1v1 ladder runs currently are very nice (on at least 2 accounts with 2300+ ratings, potentially more). His realtime ladder run on Yves is currently the realtime ladder record holder. I think it is tough to know how good he actually is, but I believe he can make a claim to be the best at 1v1.

These five seem to stand out among other players. I'm not saying these five are the best (Myhand, masterofdesaster, Odin, and some others should also be seriously considered). I do believe these five have performed the best on the ladders, and objectively shown they are top 1v1 players. I believe accurately choosing one out of this pack at 1v1 is a joke. I would assume that even these players do not think one stands out above the best (even themself). Personally, my biggest fear out of these five would be Szeweningen, but that does not make him the best out of them. It's my opinion, and could be partially based on how his playstyle works against mine.

If we just consider the Strategic 1v1 template, I believe there are 15-20 players that are at the top level of it.

Edited 9/12/2015 03:26:13
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/12/2015 03:26:54


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My Top 3:

Giant Frog
MOD
QB

:)
Who's the best 1v1 active strategic player?: 9/12/2015 04:01:55

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B-Cool (the widowmaker) https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=3811333145

Edited 9/12/2015 04:02:07
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