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Congrats for your desision: 9/8/2015 07:11:33


Chaos
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https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9178619

congratulation to ... ? to my opponent ? that he use 38 days vacation and he took the win ?
or to the warlight ppl who gave this win ??
is nice strategy thou to play some turns and then appear every 6 days to put more and more and more vacation
and this doesnt count as a staling at all !!!
so i better give my congrats to the "system" becouse i dont want to write "i understand"

and in similar situations you must change the ..."winner" - "surrender "
to .... "winner becouse we like to " - "looser becouse he was playing fair "

Edited 9/8/2015 07:33:16
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Bayern München is the best!
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„I understand“...why you needed to write that?
Congrats for your desision: 9/8/2015 07:53:15


Chaos
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you write that if someone reports .. if you describe your true feelings
Congrats for your desision: 9/8/2015 07:59:19


knyte 
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To be fair, I've had to take an actual 38+ day vacation before. Sometimes people have stuff going on in real life. I'm unintentionally stalling a lot of games right now because I've got to figure out some really complicated things in the next few days.
Congrats for your desision: 9/8/2015 08:08:47


Chaos
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so you have time to go in the game and press another 6 plus 6 plus 6 days .. but no time to commit ... ok
and you just finish your "life" just after the seasonal ends .. ok
this is not stalling .. ok
this is not forching to bring the game at the end ... ok
and the "system" gives you the game ... ok
all fine .. LONG LIVE the syatem
Congrats for your desision: 9/8/2015 08:47:46


Bayern München is the best!
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Well...i was reported for saying that i like snooker....
Congrats for your desision: 9/8/2015 11:41:41


Chaos
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so ?? any answer ?? about this game from any "head" ?? no ??
ofc .. no time to read this .. sure ..

Edited 9/8/2015 11:42:03
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Bayern München is the best!
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About this game? He is ( i wont say what bcs i dont want to be reported again)...
Congrats for your desision: 9/8/2015 12:24:04


Chaos
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i dont care what he is ... I WANT TO KNOW WHY A STALLER TOOK THE WIN
Congrats for your desision: 9/8/2015 12:31:48


Bayern München is the best!
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Bcs he is ()
Congrats for your desision: 9/8/2015 13:19:23


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there is a formula that calculates bonuses*2 + total armies. the one with the higher sum gets the win. fizzer would have to decide in those cases manually over the win and i can promise he won't Change anything. i remember he made once vodoo (gui) lose because he abused that System, but since you're not very high ranked he won't Change. in General he doesn't really care about cheating on the ladders.
Congrats for your desision: 9/8/2015 13:24:26


Chaos
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thank you ... he doesnt care .. thats an answer .. i know about the calculation .. and also i know that if someone does that on purpose then he doesnt have the win .. but as you say ... he doesnt care ..
i believe that too .. but undortunatelly cares me ..even if i am not in high ranks in seasonal
LoNg LiVe the cheatting

Edited 9/8/2015 13:41:38
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iNsAnE
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i asked about that 2 month ago, but it seems that nobody cares, they only would care if they would be in that situation.

for u chaos

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/99995-vacation-seasonal

Edited 9/8/2015 13:48:07
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Bayern München is the best!
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And why did you surrender?
Congrats for your desision: 9/8/2015 14:36:08


master of desaster 
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it Auto surrenders the Player according the above posted formula. having vacations allowed in seasonals is a really, really bad Feature.
Congrats for your desision: 9/8/2015 14:51:04


Chaos
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yes excactly ... another stupidity .. "surender'
btw i read your post Insane .. now .. didnt see that when you posted it ...
And i did send a report 2 weeks ago , becouse i was afraid that this will happen ..
but they probably more interesting if you call someone "asshole" then you get an answer ..
but no for "vacations"
Congrats for your desision: 9/8/2015 16:06:46


ps 
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in General he doesn't really care about cheating on the ladders.


did you report the cheating?
Congrats for your desision: 9/8/2015 16:10:47


ps 
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in this case this game is stalling for 1 month with no commit, clearly stalling for half the season, not playing. i think Fizzer should revert the game's decision and suspend the staller.
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THE PLAGUE
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i agree
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Des {TJC}
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Is it considered stalling if a family member just died?
Congrats for your desision: 9/8/2015 18:26:03


Chaos
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i did report it
and is stalling if you have time to come in game 1 day before the vacation expires and add another 6 days .. and the same after 5 days .. and the same after 5 days
38 days vacation with expiration 9\9 and today after the seasonal ends .. he finish his vacation ..
anyway .. as InSaNE and other wrote .. vacations must be OFF the seasonal ladders since .. cheatting is allowed by the .. "system" ... and since noone cares

Edited 9/8/2015 18:28:11
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Lol...thats really ( *i wont say what,bcs i dont want to be reported again*)
Congrats for your desision: 9/8/2015 19:06:32


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It's just a game, chill man...
Congrats for your desision: 9/8/2015 20:51:02


[WM] ᵀᴴᴱ𝓕𝓻𝓲𝓭𝓰𝓮 
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1) Taking vacations is not against rules.
2) How can you expect people to get suspended for playing according to rules?
3) It's just a game
4) your position on the ladder was not significant enough for it to matter
5) I'm not exactly sure why do you think you'd win that game if not the forced end..

I agree the algorhythm is not the most sophisticated, and sometimes now fair, but in my opinion it's close enough and it does a lot more good than bad.
Congrats for your desision: 9/8/2015 22:01:21


Kenny • apex 
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Pretty sure that the other guy had an advantage.
Congrats for your desision: 9/8/2015 22:31:37


ℳℛᐤƬrαńɋℰ✕
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@Knyte
I'm unintentionally stalling a lot of games right now because I've got to figure out some really complicated things in the next few days.
Isn´t it a bit ironic that you find time to read/write in forum (even if it would be the only really "important" thread you follow), but can´t make it to the games? Yes I understand not all games are 1-5 minute to commit, but still you should get my point at least in that part you found time to open forum instead check the game! I would guess it should come down to priorities and respect towards the players, which should come first and before the Forum!

@Des
Is it considered stalling if a family member just died?

Well as you already took it up. Would you give a 2 S**** about Warlight if that happens? Even if it would be Coin game (This is the part where you make up your price and insert). Why would you hold the game in halt for others, they are not the blame nor cause?

Seasonal Ladder regarding the Time period it is open: 60-days. The vacations could be shortened. Although stalling like that, it is not that common, isn´t it? And having one game in halt will not hamper the other 19 games anyhow. Plus I do not see being it beneficial for the "alleged staller" taking vacations as one game gets added every 4 days. He could stall the last games of seasonal ladder to score via the Formula.

As discussed in the other linked thread by iNsAnE the problem is people quitting/surrendering early or mid-term - which affects the ratings. Should people be forced. We all accept the unecpected circumstances - do not take the Vacation as holiday in every case. Most of us study/work. Student may find himself stuck on semester or unexpected work-overload etc, that no-one could have forseen. I do think you should force people to finish as in this case they just end up getting booted. Also preventing them from joining next one is rather harsh.
Peixoto suggested adding RR-system (Reliability Rating) for the S-Ladder, so reliable players could be matched before meeting the newcomers in pairing in the other thread.
Definately not the best solution, but maybe if player X would draw from ladder, but has previous ladder ratings the sum of these could be used or position to get relative data + regarding his current ladder performance somehow mixed into it. The only remaining question would be what to do with newcomers. Someone with higher math skills could maybe come up with deviation of a kind or just treat the quitters as average-ratings.

Edited 9/8/2015 22:34:35
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Chaos
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Fleecemaster yes .. becouse is a game i want it to be fair
Freeze ..1)2)3) ...stalling a game to force end is against the rules 4) for me if i be 75th or 70th matters 5) in this seasonal with these settings anything is possible , but even if i loose i wanted to loose fair
Lolowut cant see that sorry :)

anyway thank you all for finding time to answer here

Edited 9/9/2015 07:14:05
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Bayern München is the best!
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1) Taking vacations is not against rules.
2) How can you expect people to get suspended for playing according to rules?
3) It's just a game
4) your position on the ladder was not significant enough for it to matter
5) I'm not exactly sure why do you think you'd win that game if not the forced end..

I agree the algorhythm is not the most sophisticated, and sometimes now fair, but in my opinion it's close enough and it does a lot more good than bad.



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Congrats for your desision: 9/9/2015 08:11:35


[WM] ᵀᴴᴱ𝓕𝓻𝓲𝓭𝓰𝓮 
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Lolowut - exactly. My point nr5 should be interpreted as:

5) You were losing the game anyway whether you like it or not.
Congrats for your desision: 9/9/2015 11:11:03


Chaos
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ok .. so id like to propose for all games to stop at 4-5 turn or betters at 2nd and then the "system" deside .. no need to play 10-15 turns
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