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Illegal Immigration: 8/31/2015 23:50:14


Eklipse
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So illegal immigration is a pretty big topic right now. On the U.S side we have Donald Trump who wants to build a wall between America and Mexico, and crack down super hard on immigration. Meanwhile in Europe there are several countries being quite literally flooded with immigrants. Hungary is building a giant fence on their southern border while Macedonia has officially closed it's borders to additional refugees. It's become a large enough issue that the EU is calling a meeting on the matter.

Suffice to say it's all a hot-button topic. One of my biggest concerns though is how come it seems like very few are moderate on the issue? From what I've observed in several debates about this most people fall in one of two sides:

The Pro-Immigrant side seems to think that any type of border security what so ever is somehow tyrannical, and that anyone who steps foot inside a new country should immediately be granted full recognition and the benefits that come with it.

OR we have the:

Anti-Immigrant side, who many belonging to the group want to shut down borders all together and completely stop immigration. I've even seen a lot of talk about outright jailing or shooting anyone who crosses the line.

In my honest opinion both sides are being ridiculous about it. What's wrong with a moderate border security force that makes sure people follow the proper procedure before entering? I believe anyone should be allowed to enter a new country as long as they fill out the proper paperwork, have a background check, and then go through the citizenship process in good faith.

Those who can't bother themselves to do things legally should be sent back until they decide to come through the right way.

Those are my thoughts, though. Two questions for anyone reading this thread: What's your stance regarding immigration? Why do you think there's a seeming lack of moderates on the matter?
Illegal Immigration: 8/31/2015 23:52:10


Benjamin628 
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Well it is literally called illegal immigration for a reason. We do need better border security for sure.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 00:00:26


Жұқтыру
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^

Just note, Hungary's immigration problem is mostly with Kosovans, while Macedonia's is with Syrians.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 00:19:54


Tyrion Lannister
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I say, declare open season on illegal immigrants in the southwest.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 00:36:18


powerpos
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The Pro-Immigrant side seems to think that any type of border security what so ever is somehow tyrannical, and that anyone who steps foot inside a new country should immediately be granted full recognition and the benefits that come with it.


The issue is, that IF you let someone in, you cannot deny them the rights that come with it,
there is not realy an acceptable middle ground.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 01:11:56


Tyrion Lannister
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yes, you can deny them rights.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 01:15:18


Eklipse
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There's a difference between letting someone in, and someone sneaking in while subverting all law and security. If you cross the border without going through the legal way you have broken the law and are by definition a criminal. Criminals must be treated humanely but don't have many rights beyond that.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 01:17:11


Major General Smedley Butler
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The border should be well regulated, yes. And if waves of immigrants want in, make it easy, this is a nation that says itself that it wants immigrants. Although Tyrion is a damn insane bastard with his ideas of mass murder and concentration camps.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 01:22:58


Tyrion Lannister
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No, we don't want immigrants.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 01:27:14


Major General Smedley Butler
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Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 01:37:50


Tyrion Lannister
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that was made about 130 years ago.

Back when the US had less than 1/5 its population today.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 01:40:08


Жұқтыру
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This doesn't really apply, but someone get that polandball cartoon where Singapur is saying "Get rid of all immigrants!" and then Singapur stops existing.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 01:40:17


Major General Smedley Butler
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You claim to want a strong military. More people means a bigger military.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 01:41:36


Tyrion Lannister
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MGSB, that's stupid. We already have plenty of people for a military.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 01:42:03


Tyrion Lannister
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also, i get it xpapy. singapore is 2/3 immigrants who weren't born there.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 01:42:51


Major General Smedley Butler
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Not as much as China. Who you seem to be convinced, want to completely destroy America.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 01:46:34


Genghis 
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More people =/= Larger Military

There is a draft system in the US. If we needed to, we could have a 20 million man army. Which is 2x the size of the current largest standing army, North Korea's army.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 01:55:58


Жұқтыру
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If China needed to, it would have a 100 million man army, beat that.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 01:59:12


Genghis 
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How many aircraft carriers and modern aircraft does China have listed on public sources compared to America? By the time a Sino-American War happened, we'd probably have orbital kinetic rod "missiles" (as portrayed in Call of Duty Ghosts). Do you think China would have more than America the rate their budget is going?
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 02:02:05


Жұқтыру
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Military is impossible to measure - Sardinnian Basement.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 02:19:32


Darth Darth Binks
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Trump wants to make it easier for good people to enter the US, and impossible for bad people AKA criminals to enter the US, which is what needs to happen. I heard on a talk show that the US already has laws that would solve the problem, and that we just aren't enforcing them. I don't know how true that is, but I'm just putting it out there.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 02:24:44


Potatoe
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Illegal Immigration in a nutshell..

In my view let immigrates Into the country. If they work and contribute to the economy let them stay. If not let them be deported.

Not much to debate here unless people have bad morals...
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 02:25:20


Genghis 
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Xy i just stated that we were going to measure based upon what's on Public domain. We all understand Sardinian basement, but quite frankly my dear i don't give a damn.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 02:35:55


Lawlz
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More people means a bigger military.
Best joke in the thread right here
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 02:44:15


Жұқтыру
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Measuring what's in the public domain is pointless.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 02:44:28


Жұқтыру
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Best joke in the thread right here


French Foreign League.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 02:53:17


Genghis 
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Well Xy, I'm sick of it. We don't question why lengths like the Meter and Foot exist, why they are as long as they are. They simply are. They are something that we can use to measure. In the same light, you claim that military power is unquantifiable. In the same instance, we need something to measure with, and the public domain is our best bet. You'd be quite the retard to walk into a room and say "Tibet is going to conquer all of Eurasia tomorrow." I prefer to stay away from most mainstream news outlets, and most indie/underground outlets, but I'm pretty sure that Sardinian Basement is something that will make any historian, modern analyst or military-man crack up.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 02:58:55


Жұқтыру
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Well Xy, I'm sick of it. We don't question why lengths like the Meter and Foot exist, why they are as long as they are.


Well, we do, at least the curious ones, do. French wanted to make a logic system that any foreigner could easily learn, 10-10-10. They aren't simply, they were made. Foot was made also, roughly about the foot (human).

In the same light, you claim that military power is unquantifiable.


Well, nearly*. You can judge military by past milestones and invasions (of the country being invaded, not of the invader).

I'm pretty sure that Sardinian Basement is something that will make any historian, modern analyst or military-man crack up.


All employed historians, modern analysts and militarymen must agree with the man's general concepts.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 03:02:53


Major General Smedley Butler
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Best joke in the thread right here

Y u so mean lawlz? I cri evrytim.
Illegal Immigration: 9/1/2015 03:05:55


Genghis 
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Contemporary WarLight Forum Pro Tip #1 : Lawlz is a douchebag. He's also a tranny. She*

Contemporary*

Edited 9/1/2015 03:06:18
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