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Public Education: 8/31/2015 02:36:13


Genghis 
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I took JROTC. You learn military history (US that is), I remember an American Revolution unit.

A lot of it is harmless. The education was mostly about US military, its bits and cogs. There was also a military dress out day, where you wear a uniform and are inspected (like the real military), a day where you would practice drill (like the real military) and a day where we wore a casual uniform and did Physical Training. PT is some intense stuff.
Public Education: 8/31/2015 02:36:38


Genghis 
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Thanks for your opinions though, shyb. Very interesting.
Public Education: 8/31/2015 02:41:55


shyb
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tyrion

can't take me seriously for suggesting more knowledge before making judgments? there isn't any history that is totally unbiased, but the more facts you learn the better equipped you are to detect bias.

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Public Education: 8/31/2015 02:43:53


Tyrion Lannister
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Oh I agree there.

But to say that American history is entirely pro American... It might've been that way when you were a kid but not today.
Public Education: 8/31/2015 02:47:37


shyb
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that's good to know about jrotc. im a bit paranoid about anything military. i don't have issues with soldiers, and i think the discipline can be good for a lot of people, but nationalism and glorification of war are very bad things (in my humble opinon).
Public Education: 8/31/2015 02:50:51


Genghis 
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It can depend on military instructor you get though. They tend to have slight variations in scheduling and behavior. I got very nice instructors however, who were friendly. But very strict when necessary.
Public Education: 8/31/2015 02:51:13


shyb
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true tyrion, i haven't read a high school history book since high school. but i was in school before wikipedia, so back then they were able to get away with fudging the facts and omitting all the bad stuff the us did.
Public Education: 8/31/2015 02:54:05


Tyrion Lannister
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I'm homeschooled, and I use a highly conservative (though very rigorous in algebric and English) academic course; even though the course is very pro-US, it remains highly critical of the US in terms of slavery and the native Americans.
Public Education: 8/31/2015 03:04:25


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good on that. that was the kind of stuff that was glossed over and dismissed. i can't expect the imperialism part to be stressed, cause it is a little subjective, but to gloss over us atrocities is counterproductive to the whole purpose of history.
Public Education: 8/31/2015 03:08:21


Tyrion Lannister
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Shyb pls change back to the dog as ur profile pic...
Public Education: 8/31/2015 03:34:38


Genghis 
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New question :

12. What are your thoughts on integrating technology into education? Are the 2 distinct? What are your tips to do this correctly?

13. What about PDA Public Displays of Affection in school? How have you felt about this? Do you really care at all either way? (This is a simple question, because simple questions are nice)
Public Education: 8/31/2015 03:43:44


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12. i have no idea about the effects of computers and cell phones in school. the most technology i had was oregon trail and carmen sandiego.

13. i never got to make out with any girls in school :(

i did feel a girl up on the playground, but that was after hours...
Public Education: 8/31/2015 03:57:30


Genghis 
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Awww poor shyb. It's okay. I only had 2 girlfriends in high school. And I ended up engaging one of them..

#I'maF*ck'ingIdiot
Public Education: 8/31/2015 04:05:09


shyb
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don't worry about me, i got my fair share in my 20s. living in a college town but not actually going to college is really good for your sex life.
Public Education: 8/31/2015 05:05:31


Genghis 
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Just think, shyb. In 2-3 years from now, you'll be looking back at warlight and you'll see this post. You'll think to yourself :

"Wow. I got to talk to the almighty Genghis. I can't believe it!"
Public Education: 8/31/2015 05:28:32


l4v.r0v 
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Coming from an American background (3rd through half of 6th grade in California, remainder of 6th through 12th in Texas, college outside the public education system)

1. What are your thoughts on standardized testing? Good or bad? Why so?


So I'm a bit biased here (got full scores on both the major American high school-level standardized tests), but I think standardized tests do offer useful data points and add predictive value when it comes to college GPA. However, as Benjamin pointed out, these tests are very easy to game (you "study for the test" instead of "studying for life"). As far as Critical Reading, Writing, and Science go, these tests also tend to measure an arbitrarily-picked set of skills that doesn't correspond very well with what's used in real life- for example, the most brilliant Physics major I know didn't do very well on the Science section, and there are plenty of people who can ace Critical Reading but fail to analyze any text more complex than To Kill a Mockingbird. So we've got this great opportunity to extract meaningful, quantitive data (and I think the "quantitative" part is important because it allows us to maintain some degree of accountability when it comes to selecting people based on merit) but we're squandering it by measuring arbitrary skills.

I think the ideal course of action here would be to study strong experts in these fields- Mathematicians, authors and literary analysts, scientists, etc.- and attempt to find common skills that have high predictive value when it comes to doing well in their fields. Then to construct a more logic/reasoning/analysis-based test that doesn't give up as often and just test your ability to follow rules (as in the grammar section). The LSAT (for law schools- tests reasoning skills) and MCAT (for medical schools) might be good models to follow here.

Honestly, I'd give this issue high importance because a failure to provide a useful quantitative data point (beyond GPA, which has its own faults) means that qualitative (and subjective) data points get more weight, resulting in less accountability with regard to merit-based selection systems.

2. What are your thoughts on special needs education? Good or bad? Why so?


I don't have enough experience with how special needs education works- although the former faculty sponsor of my high school's GSA taught special needs and made me realize how talented special needs instructors are- but I think in general it's a good idea to treat public education as a positive right. One of the people I know who's good at having conversations about tech is special needs, so I don't think that the right to education should be taken away from special needs students if that's what the question is asking.

3. Do you feel Sexual education is an important class? Do you feel it should be improved, stay the same or be removed?


I think it should be improved and abstinence-only curricula eliminated. This is a social project, and we need to leverage it to actually prevent teen pregnancies/STDs and to actually give useful information.

4. Do you think we should teach more general subjects? A "prepare you for life" class, basically.


It'd be useful to offer this course as an elective, but if it's made mandatory, it would be a massive waste of time for most people and keep them from learning subjects that actually interest them. It's also very likely to end up as one of those joke classes taught by coaches who want extra pay for not teaching anything. As long as it's not mandatory, sure, it's going to help some people.

5. Do you think the maths classes are important, and if so, important for what? Are they good,bad? Do they need improvement et al?


Yes. Read Lockhart's lament- https://www.maa.org/external_archive/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf. Math is being completely mistaught because it's being presented as a useful tool instead of an actual field with lots of interesting and elegant parts. A field that beautiful (and one responsible for a lot of what we enjoy in the first world today) shouldn't be turned into two whole months of learning how simple/compound/continuously compounded interest works and classes that are basically lessons in how to use a calculator without understanding what's going on.

6. What are your thoughts on the current state of Social studies classes? Do you think they are doing a good job?


My AP history classes went pretty well in high school. Then again, all of my teachers had a PhD in their field.

7. What are your thoughts on language classes? Good or bad ? Need improvement?


They need improvement in most cases.

8. Do you think evolution theory should be taught in schools? If so, what about creationism? What other theories?


Evolution is a theory and a fact. Creationism isn't even a hypothesis. I don't think ideas that defy scientific consensus, especially religious ones (First Amendment, y'all!) should be peddled by the public education system. It's an education system, not an indoctrination system. You can brainwash your kids at church.

9. Do you think the social environment in public school is great? Do you find it lacking? Should it exist at all?


It was okay at my school. I mean, I wasn't popular or anything but as long as there aren't gangs or anything I'm cool with it.

10. What are your thoughts on the extracurricular activities? Such as art, chorus, orchestra, JROTC, Sports, or Shop class. Do some need to leave? Do others need improvement?


Outside sports and the arts, they need more emphasis and support. Pursuing your own passions is a big part of education.

11. What are some classes you'd like to see?


High school intro CS courses that better mirror what's available for college undergrads.

12. What are your thoughts on integrating technology into education? Are the 2 distinct? What are your tips to do this correctly?


All I'm saying is don't buy 300 fucking iPads when you have no idea how you're going to use them. Freaking PTA's and principals, always trying to make themselves look fancy.

13. What about PDA Public Displays of Affection in school? How have you felt about this? Do you really care at all either way? (This is a simple question, because simple questions are nice)


As long as they don't interfere with other people or get in the way of students being able to pay attention, I don't care. I don't think there's much we can do about it anyway.

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Public Education: 8/31/2015 05:40:17


Des {TJC}
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don't worry about me, i got my fair share in my 20s. living in a college town but not actually going to college is really good for your sex life.



Daaaaaayum straight




Aaaaaaand I get outshown by the statician. Greaaaat.

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Public Education: 8/31/2015 05:56:21


l4v.r0v 
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Aaaaaaand I get outshown by the statician. Greaaaat.


?

Not sure what you're talking about but, if it makes you feel better, the one person I've ever actually felt attracted to came out as lesbian during college. :/ I don't think most people on Warlight are as incapable of having authentic relationships as I am.

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Public Education: 8/31/2015 06:11:22


Жұқтыру
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Edited 8/31/2015 06:11:55
Public Education: 8/31/2015 13:09:32


Tyrion Lannister
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knyte: Your wrong there.

All of my ex-gf's were molested...

It still freaks me out that molested girls are attracted to me...

:P
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