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Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/30/2015 01:44:42


Master Turtle 
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I will be listing my opinion of the top strategic clans on warlight.

Inspired by Pulsey's clan rankings + clan guide + analysis: https://www.warlight.net/Forum/32025-pulseys-great-list-clans-agree

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/48923-pulseys-clan-guide-clan-rankings-analysis-2?Offset=0

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/53158-pulseys-clan-rankings-ratings-3?Offset=0

AND General Arun's Clan Rankings: https://www.warlight.net/Forum/4490-clan-rankings?Offset=0

Special thanks to JSA for all of his input on each of these threads and for ChrisCMU digging up many important links with random clan/player information.

NOW FOR Master Turtle's TOP CLANS!!! (2015 edition)
There is a lot to say about these clans so I will write what stands out the most for me.

1. Apex --> On the Rise!
Apex is a fairly old clan (well before WL 2.0) and has always been an elitist clan. They are my top clan because: They've taken 1st place in Clan League's 5 and 6. (Tied for 1st in #2). AND since the last rankings, Luxis a very skilled and experienced warlighter has come out of retirement. Timinator one of the most dreaded 1v1 opponents has joined. Master of the Dead, a very well rounded, talented individual who is proving himself a champion on these past few seasonals, 2nd place on 1v1 ladder currently and a top place on the real time ladder has joined.

2. |GG| --> On the Rise!
|GG| is very close to Apex in terms of skill. They are one of the larger elite clans with 17 members which gives their clan league roster lots of depth. They have consistently had many players take 1st on the realtime ladder, top 10 on the seasonal, and done suprisingly well in Clan League. It is important to point out the addition of Latnox (1v1 ladder record holder AND may be the 1st player to take 1st on every ladder with 1 account, sorry Gnuffone.) They also picked up Muten Roshi, many of you have not heard of him but he is a very solid 1v1 player and was the champion over Master of the Dead's real time ladder CLOT. Their member Orange also held the 1v1 Flyweight Belt and is the true legend with 39 consecutive wins! GG is also one of the oldest clans on warlight, they are the offspring of Relite!

3. WG --> On the Rise!
Warlight Gods has always been a dominant force in clan league. Their clan ranks have changed often too. To start off I'll say that Nich and marc2013 have both retired from warlight which hurt them. HOWEVER, WM Gnuffone, Falker, and Oh Noes have been recruited. Gnuffone is one of warlight's greatest all time players. He has taken a golden trophy from every ladder (using multiple accounts) and is the king of 3v3 EU. Falker is an old WM member.... I don't know much about him. Oh Noes is an up and coming player, he has already reached a high skill level and I don't think he has peaked yet. He was a very good recruit that came out of [XS]. WG struggled with some boots this clan league and snagged 3rd place and they have been podium finishers for many seasons. I'd like to point out that Summer, Tenshi, and Verzerher have been dominate players on the seasonal ladders, and 1v1 ladder in recent months.

4. [20] --> On the Decline.
I might get some disagreement's here but thats fine. [20] is my #4 clan. It was originally a league and still is, the clan is just a filament of it. [20] used to have [20] members and for various reasons it collapsed. It is currently under construction. Each of its members has been on warlight for years, regardless of ladder stats they could probably whoop our but's at most templates. Noticeably, Dead Piggy and HHH have rejoined the clan and I hope it is being rebuilt. Szeweningen and Odin are the most reknown players in the clan for outstanding performances and great community services. Special thanks to Qi for starting it all up.

5. Lynx --> No change.
This was a tough choice for me but I will go against my Bias here and choose Lynx. Lynx is another old clan. Originally it was {101st} with its elite branch named Lynx, however with the warlight 2.0 update they split into 2 separate clans. They have 21 members (19 are active). This gives them lots of depth for a clan league roster. In the past few clan leagues every player competed. They have had mixed ladder success. Darkpie, Kantos, and Dom365 have been their forerunners and done well on the 1v1 ladder. They have lost No Mercy but were also able to recruit Andy903 (a well rounded realtime ladder champion). They have just made it back to Group A for clan league so I will be very curious to see how they do.

6. Master Clan --> On the Rise!
As of The 6th Clan League, they have recruited myself and Pushover. Master Bjarke has returned from an extended vacation, Master of Deseaster has returned from the Military, and Master Arc has come back from hiatus. We have all our star players back and a few new players. Since clan league 6 we have set the 2v2 winstreak record, had MotD take 2nd/3rd on 2 of the last three seasonal ladders, Master of deseasater has smashed the 1v1 ladder like no one since The Impaller, we've had constant success on the 1v1 ladder and real time ladder. We've won 4 of the last 5 WGL tournaments. (3 by MoD and 1 by Pushover). All in all, we are now one of the most active elitist clans and are aiming for the top of this list.

7. Blitz --> On the Rise!
Blitz manages to recruit players that a lot of us have never heard of. KKND is perhaps one of the most underrated players I've played. He's well rounded, talented, and still improving. Many, many of their recruits are like that: Grosshandlaren, mebejorbod, The Black Hand, linberson, and gadttar. Those are just their "no names". They also have players like Jefferspin, #QB#, RPA, and Bannanashake. Those are some long time top players with success in and outside of the ladders. They have also recently obtained Quicksand (HHH) who is a player all players should recognize as an elite opponent. Their performance in Clan League has been very impressive and will not be surprised to see them as a solid Group A clan.
8. [XS] --> On the Rise!

9. French Community --> No Change.

10. Ahol --> Sobering up?

11. The Official Clan of Warlighters --> Lots of Change but not a 'rating change'.

12. V.I.W. --> Slight decline.

13. The Icelandic Turtles --> On a sharp Rise! (total rebuild)

14. Stahlgewittern --> No clue.

15. M'Hunters --> On the Rise!

16. REGL --> No Change.

17. ILLUMINATI ▲ --> On the Rise!

18. BIA --> No Change.

19. {101st} --> On a slight Rise.

20. The Juggernaut's Clan --> On the Rise!

Honorable mentions to: VS, Statisticians, [BR] FUDEW, AWF, FBG, SNinja, The Ohms, The Warlight Staff, WM, Divided We Fall, Lu Fredd, Tranquility, Incognito, Yin-Yang,The League of Erroneous Aspirations (LEA), and {Olympus}!

I will do a write up for clans 6-20 when I get the chance.


Please give your thoughts on my list, give me your own list, but most importantly remember that these are ALL OPINIONS and should be treated as such. This list is not meant to be offensive nor constructive. Just take it as some random dude's ramblings and I hope you enjoy it.

Edited 9/22/2015 02:33:23
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/30/2015 02:25:31


Des {TJC}
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I was honestly surprised to see The Juggernauts Clan listed as number 20.

Everyone else is pretty what it would seem like
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/30/2015 03:13:20


Master Turtle 
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Most of the honorable mentions would be ranked higher; however, there is either too few players (The Warlight Staff) or not enough clan vs clan (staticticians) or it is a new clan to be able to be ranked (VS).
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/30/2015 03:14:44


Benjamin628 
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I think AWF is a reasonable 21st on the rise.

Edit: didn't see turtles recent post.

Edited 8/30/2015 03:15:37
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/30/2015 03:16:41


Master Turtle 
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Once I get write ups done I will look at ALL of the clans and some players. I will shuffle around some clans and make a top 30 list.
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/30/2015 04:36:44


Kenny • apex 
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Pretty fair analysis so far. On the other thread I forgot to mention Master being tied with Lynx and Blitz as well under [20]. Luxis has been on and off, but plays realtime if you can catch him on.
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/30/2015 05:22:33


Potatoe
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I will be fairly interested in this list. Thanks!
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/30/2015 05:47:45


Ω Cat Juggernaut 
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Intrigued to see TJC make the list, not many people notice us. If it's not a problem, mind saying what attracted your attention?
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/30/2015 06:20:33


Dr. Stupid 
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Yay! We got an honorable mention!
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/30/2015 11:53:42

Widzisz • apex 
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(Tied for 1st in #4)

In #2 actually.
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/30/2015 13:01:56


Master Turtle 
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@The Cat Juggernaut

A lot of the honorable mention clans are better than yours. BUT some of them are new like VS. Some of them just don't do clan vs clan stuff like statisticians, Yin-Yang, and Incognito. So those clans would definitly be higher than you. BR FUDEW and Warlight Staff are probably ahead of you but WL Staff has 2 players...... SO I can't really count them and BR FUDEW has had some players retire and I have no clue if there leader is still around due to health issues.

So what attracted me to yall was all your jabbering in the clan forums about challenging this clan to such and such. Also Smileyleg is pretty badass. Des, eklipse, and you are alright from what i've seen but i'm judging the clan more than the individuals...

Does this make sense? You might not have been been better than the other clans but you were more qualified for a rank?


I really can 't wait for clan league to come around so I can see how accurate I am. I would love all of these clans to prove me wrong. Especially the lower ranked clans and my affiliate clans.

@Widzisz

Thanks for the correction I was too lazy to look that one up.
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/30/2015 13:49:26


OxTheAutist 
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I think CORP deserves an honourable mention.
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/30/2015 14:36:46


hedja 
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I would like to clarify, when you say "I will be listing my opinion of the top strategic clans on warlight" you are taking all clans, and then rating them by how good the players in them are, correct?
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/30/2015 16:20:08


TBest 
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^I was going to ask the same. (Because in my eyes it looks like you have used some other criterias. Oh, and also when ranking how good the players are, do you estimate the average, or do like a top 5 from each clan?)
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/30/2015 18:44:44


hedja 
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Also I think that you are being a bit harsh on yourself, as in my opinion Master is slightly better than Lynx. However as mentioned by yourself it could be viewed that you are being biased towards yourself.

Edited 8/30/2015 19:08:05
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/30/2015 19:27:02


Darkpie 
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Master is slightly better than Lynx.


If we went head to head (like we did in clan league) I think Lynx would win (like we did in clan league) :P :P :P
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/30/2015 19:36:46


hedja 
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in my opinion Master is slightly better than Lynx


I still stand by what I said, too many Lynx players i haven't played with / heard of before. No hard feelings :P
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/30/2015 20:06:12


THE PLAGUE
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tnx 4 the honorable mention
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/30/2015 22:58:38


Benjamin628 
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Master is slightly better than Lynx.


If we went head to head (like we did in clan league) I think Lynx would win (like we did in clan league) :P :P :P


I mean the post was made by Master Turtle, and if I recall correctly MoD was banned in CL6. Master Turtle said that he is obviously bias like all people are.
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/30/2015 23:41:27

JSA 
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So how are we rating these clans? If it is enjoyment of members, it will be almost impossible to rate the clans. If we are ranking them purely on skill, then how is 20 not first by a long shot? No one can compete with them on team games. Even with just players that are active, 20 is the most skilled. If we are rating clans by activity, kynte has already done this.

Also, you can't compare a clan with very few members to a clan with many members unless you take only the top members of the bigger clan and compare that to all the members of the smaller clan. Like if we are comparing GG and Apex, Apex has only 8 active members exclusively in Apex. So we should take the top 8 of GG to compare.

Essentially, I'm saying this kind of rating clans has no point and is worthless. There has to be some kind of numbers involved like in knyte's rankings. I used to be a big advocate of this kind of ranking but it just doesn't have any basis and is 100% opinionated.
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/30/2015 23:49:50


Benjamin628 
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^ knyte* :P
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/31/2015 00:21:19


Jefferspin 
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Just because you don't know a player doesn't mean they aren't good.
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/31/2015 00:35:06

Widzisz • apex 
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JSA, these are always opinion based, even with the numbers (I fail to see how numbers help), even when you base them on some games, stats, achievements... You still put different value to this or that, therefore when one say "apex is way better than 20" he actually mean "apex is in my opinion way better than 20", and he is not wrong.

Edited 8/31/2015 00:36:18
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/31/2015 00:44:11


hedja 
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Jefferspin, if I don't know who they are then I would imagine they would struggle when playing against the people who I know are top quality. Who would you back to win in a 3vs3, dead piggy + Gnuff + Timi vs 3 people you had never heard of before? Of course the difference isn't quite so drastic when it comes to Master vs Lynx, but if I have played with nearly all of Master / seen them play and have only played with half of Lynx, which should I back? This is why I stated I hadn't played much with them, and that in my opinion Master was better. This is just from looking at the people on their clan pages.
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/31/2015 00:44:34


Master Turtle 
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Ok for all you number crunchers, I did this arbitrarily....


I basically judged the clans by (in order of importance):
1. Clan League
2. Other Clan vs Clan stuff.
3. Ladder Success. (& lack thereof)
4. My personal interactions with them.
5. Reputation/Activity
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/31/2015 00:46:56


Master Turtle 
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@hedja/Darkpie

Lynx did defeat MASTER Clan in head to head clan league. That is what pushed them slightly ahead in my books.

HOWEVER

MASTER Clan did NOT have master of Deseaster or Master Bjarke playing. + lots of boots.

And since then, myself and Pushover have been recruited.
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/31/2015 16:10:26


Jefferspin 
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Gotcha Hedja. Turtle, so Lynx defeating Masters in clan league pushed them ahead but Blitz defeating both of them pushed us behind.


I don't care I just like to annoy you :)
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/31/2015 16:45:03


ChrisCMU 
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I think it should basically be treated as an alternate clan ranking to the clans page.

I mean 20 may have more skill than anyone, but you also should not discount the ladder performances of the other clans and just go based on pure skill that is rarely utilized in actual games.

#4 is pretty good for a clan that has only played clan league one time in 7 seasons.

Edited 8/31/2015 16:45:57
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/31/2015 17:00:49


[IM]YouMustBeKidding
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I mean 20 may have more skill than anyone

20 has more skill than anyone in making you believe they have more skill than anyone, that's how they rulez. And yes, I know that rulez doesn't fit grammatically I just wanted to use this word. The best of them is this myhandisonfire guy, he has mastered the art of convincingly claiming to be the best without proving anything. How does this guy manage to perform so well, what is his secret?

I don't say that the 20 guys are bad. Professor dead piggy for example is outstandingly good as also his current 4th ladder rank (behind WG - Lynx - Masters players) proves.
Master Turtle's clan guide + analysis: 8/31/2015 17:31:35


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@[IM]YouMustBeKidding - those statements may make sense for someone who just joined wl 6 months ago, ppl who have been around for longer know they are some of the best
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