Orbis was rejected as a map, because it still had some connection errors even after we tested it apparently. I think I'll try and make it public then soon, because I've found 6 or 7 since then.

And the German Confederation already has a bonus, but it's written in German as Deutscher Bund.

Edited 8/18/2015 02:07:48

Yeah there were a lot of connection errors. If I could find 3-5 then there's probably a lot still (I am a pretty lazy map tester, just like seeing the map first and playing on it)

now look so awesome

I think if this map is European Administrative Divisions 1815 You should separate at least the 5 main districts in Königreich Ungarn, its name in german: (Military district of) Preßburg, Kaschau, Ödenburg, Pest-Ofen, Großwardein.

With this not just the contemporary administrative divisions will be more accurate but this moderates the extreme looking imbalance there too.
Also suggest split Großfürstentum Transylvaniae into 3 historic regions: Siebenbürgen (yellow), Szeklerland (blue), and Ardeal (green)

Overall a conceptual imbalanced map may be playable with 1-2 or even 3-4 times more valuable bonuses, but 10 times more worthy bonuses can cause serious gameplay problems and I think historically unreal as well as high differencies between regions.

Weren't those military districts only established after the 1848 revolution? Anyway, even if they weren't, they aren't a Level One Division. The Level One Division was Hungary.

Those districts were before the 1848 revolution too. In terms of playability a single bonus of 30 territories for 10 income is useless and indefensible. 20 territories are borderlands and enough blocking only one to make the all other 29 territories absolutely worthless.

I think you should make the 5 districts as single bonuses and the whole kingdom as a bigbonus. As well in Transylvania the 3 historic regions as single bonuses and the whole principality as a bigbonus.

i see that you made some bigger territories for Romanian countries. Also, change Slam Ramnicul cu Ramnicu Sarat

I can see the case for making Hungary its own bonus, but it wasn't an equal kingdom until 1867. Then again, most people don't know that, so I will consider it.

Maybe I was not understandable, I didnt said that separate Hungary from Österreich, I suggest only that split Hungary into more subbonuses. A single bonus of 30 territories is useless because if the enemy block just one territory the rest 29 territories become absolutely worthless.

On the upper map I suggested 5 bonuses (everyone contain 5-7 territories) wich are historically correct. The whole Königreich Ungarn can earn an additional bigbonus, and of course it remain part of the biggerbonus Habsburg Empire.

The same with Transylania, it contain too much territories for a single bonus, would be better split into subbonuses and let a symbolic value for the whole Transylvania. On the second upper map I draw 3 historic region wich can be potential bonuses.

Hey! This could be cool to try out, consider allowing me to join your team of testers!

Okay, Urfang, here's what I'll do. Hopefully this will settle my concerns over accuracy and consistency, as well as address your concerns regarding balance and play-ability. I am going to keep Königreich Ungarn as the main bonus, but I will add new ones that look different for each military district. If it's been several hours since I've sent this message by the time you read it, they will probably be on the map already, so let me know what you think.

This was exactly what I tried to propose. I think this gives better historic value and playability as well for the map.

Although I feel still undervalued the income of that region (and Spain and Turkey too) but if your concept is an intentionally unbalanced map I do not dispute it.

And I really dont want to interfere your work, feel free to ignore any of my proposals, but Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia united as you drew only after 1867. Before there were dividual Kingdom of Croatia and Kingdom of Slavonia separated by the military frontier.

You can see here how changed Kingdom of Slavonia between 1751 and 1849.



The situation in 1815 was something like what I drew on the first page of this thread, I posted sources for Croatia, Slavonia, Serbia, and the military frontier too.

Maybe my question will sound strange, but why some of the west countries have more territories that the east ones ?

Urfang: This was exactly what I tried to propose.
Maybe it is, I don't know, but when you made your proposal, I pictured Königreich Ungarn becoming one of those black-box bonuses, which would've made it look like it wasn't an administrative division. That's why I was opposed to it at first, but the way it is now, it keeps it looking like the main division.

Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia united as you drew only after 1867
Are you sure? Because all the maps of the Austrian Empire (as opposed to the later Austro-Hungarian Empire) show Croatia as single, unitary kingdom.

konakona:
It's based on the administrative divisions of the countries. Eastern nations tended to be less industrialised, have lower population densities, and, as a result, have fewer & larger regions.

Edited 8/20/2015 16:40:37

Im sure, now in your map that is the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia, united in 1868 from the former Kingdom of Croatia, Kingdom of Slavonia, and the military frontier. This happened after when Hungary was united with Transylvania and the Banat in 1867.

This is the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia after 1868:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Croatia-Slavonia

These are the pre-1868 Kingdom of Croatia and Kingdom of Slavonia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Croatia_(Habsburg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Slavonia

And this is the military frontier wich was an administrative divison, a military province:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Frontier

The military frontier can be split up into 3 part: croatian, slavonian, and banatian frontier:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_Military_Frontier
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavonian_Military_Frontier
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banat_Military_Frontier

So which ones out of these should be bonuses?
-Königreich Kroatien
-Königreich Slawonien
-Militärgrenze
-Kroatische Militärgrenze
-Slawonische Militärgrenze
-Banat Militärgrenze

Because it seems like all I have to do at the moment is rename Königreich Kroatien as Militärgrenze.

Edited 8/20/2015 20:03:21

Well if you dont want to redraw then better to let as now, however it will be a piece of future on the map.

If you want redraw here is a help how to do:


Kingdom of Croatia and Kingdom of Slavonia can be two single territory with own bonus. Voivodeship of Serbia and Banat of Temeschwar (this is one administrative unit) can be split into 2 territories: Voivodeship of Serbia (western part) and Banat of Temeschwar (eastern part). And the military frontier can be split into 3 territories: croatian frontier (western parts), slavonian frontier (central part), and banatian frontier (eastern part).

ok, understand. (even if the desertfox's idea for romania was good )

however it will be a piece of future on the map.
Don't worry, I will change it because this map is supposed to be really accurate. These images you've been sending are really useful, so thank you.

UPDATE: I've made those changes now, is everything in order?

Edited 8/21/2015 14:02:06