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The fall of the Strategy Game: 7/23/2015 15:07:25


Von Jewburg
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I've noticed that the mobile "strategy" games like Clash of Clans and its 10,000 knockoffs are being praised as very difficult, and popular.

I disagree.

As a fan of Paradox, Age of Empires, Civ, and Total War, games like these seem less strategic. But sadly, this base of gamers seems to be dying, as more and more people flock to mobile strategy rather than grand strategy.
Warlight is one of these grand strategy games, even if it is online Risk (no offense Fizzer).
The grand strategy game genre is dying, and being overrun by the mobile strategy games, which I hate for another reason other than their (in my opinion) lack of strategy: Their advertising.

Everyone has heard the Age of War/Kate Upton thing. If you haven't, Kate Upton (a model), put on very revealing clothing in a commercial adverting a Clans ripoff. She is an advice giver, from what i've heard in-game, but always dresses to be mere sex appeal.


So, I ask you: Do you like these new strategy games? Do you prefer the older grand strategy? Or do you see Catan as the pinnacle of strategy?

Please comment below.
The fall of the Strategy Game: 7/23/2015 15:27:17


Eklipse
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There are some good mobile strategy games. Can't name any off the top of my head but I know I've played at-least a few decent ones here and there.

However, most of the big names you see advertised anymore have become pay-to-win. People can pump money into the game to build things faster, get special materials,etc. Those type of games inevitably come down to one thing: Whoever wastes the most money wins. Any time a game adds a feature for players to buy in-game advantage it immediately loses all strategic value. Many of the new MMO strategy games are also set up to where established players are practically gods and newer people don't really have any chance unless they find protection under someone who's been on the server for a long time.

So yeah, when it comes to strategy I prefer games such as Civ,Warlight,and X-Com. In those games everyone starts with an equal chance and no amount of cash flaunting can make it easier for you.
The fall of the Strategy Game: 7/23/2015 15:27:34


Gen. NumbNuts
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Simply put the newest strategy games cannot compete with the grand games. I think the problem lies with the higher demand for mobile devices rather than computers. Im sure you'll be able to find more people who known a smart phone than people who own a computer.
The fall of the Strategy Game: 7/23/2015 15:36:54


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casual gaming is more popular.
The fall of the Strategy Game: 7/23/2015 16:06:49

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If big strategy games are dying out, why is Football Manager getting more popular year on year?
The fall of the Strategy Game: 7/23/2015 16:35:39


Von Jewburg
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You mean Madden?
Madden I see as Football Pokemon. Trade and buy the best players to create the perfect team, and train them in complex maneuvers. Same as FIFA.

And Casual games sometimes are fun (still have the original Temple Run), but when I'm trying to balance out every provinces needs in EU4, it's annoying to see people scream over flappy bird.
The fall of the Strategy Game: 7/23/2015 16:44:24


OxTheAutist 
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Football Manager is not Madden.

Edited 7/23/2015 16:44:34
The fall of the Strategy Game: 7/23/2015 16:59:05


Master Ree 
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As well, we now live in a society where it is about fast-paced, convenient usability. That is, being able to play a game in short spurts anywhere, anytime. You can't bring your PC with you and play any of these grand strategy games for only 20-30minutes.
The fall of the Strategy Game: 7/23/2015 17:27:16

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You mean Madden?
Madden I see as Football Pokemon. Trade and buy the best players to create the perfect team, and train them in complex maneuvers. Same as FIFA.


No, I mean Football Manager: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_Manager

By the sound of it, you've never played the game so I don't think you're in a position to claim it lacks strategy. Come back after you've played it and completed the San Marino challenge and then I'll listen to your opinion on it.

Edited 7/23/2015 17:28:57
The fall of the Strategy Game: 7/23/2015 17:55:19


Darth Darth Binks
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There is no strategy to Age of Empires. Only Death.
The fall of the Strategy Game: 7/23/2015 18:27:23


Von Jewburg
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Sorry.

As a stupid American, is forget football is soccer everywhere else.
Judging from it, sounds strategic enough.

And the AoE comment, that made me realize something.

a gamer kills a cop in GTA and the news jumps over it.
another gamer kills 7000 enemies in total war, and nobody cares.
The fall of the Strategy Game: 7/23/2015 18:49:21


Genghis 
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^this

I've committed 1000+ war crimes on Rome 2.

-Slavery
-Mass execution
-Mass burial
-Total destruction of a city and its inhabitants
-Plundering a city and its inhabitants
-Chemical warfare
-Denying the people any rights and becoming a dictator

And then crimes that are just as bad.

-Monopoly
-Animal abuse
-Racketeering

Attila really makes me scared with how the family system has been integrated.

-Public execution
-Castration (forced)
-Forced marriage
-Bribery

Compare killing a cop to basically handing Hitler their shopping list.
The fall of the Strategy Game: 7/23/2015 18:57:43


Genghis 
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On topic, there are good mobile strategies. You just have to look.

You might have been turned off by the cruddy civ mobile games, but there is one called Freeciv which is civ 2 basically. It seems like a loyal adaption. It's not quite the PC game, but it isn't awful.

World Conqueror 2, glory of generals and European warfare 3 are games that are pretty solid against some PC strategies even. Though it is of course a mobile game, but they're not that bad. They're all basically the same game though.

I think a big part of the issue is the general lack of historical interest in people, despite historical figures being relatable in different ways to varieties of people. Given that a lot of these grand strategies have roots in history. I think if we were to introduce people to the genre, civ is the way to go.
The fall of the Strategy Game: 7/24/2015 11:05:16


The Mad Japanese
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Freeciv is kinda like Warlight is to Risk. Its a Browser Version of something
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