Rating doesn't matter. Looks like Fizzer has personally deleted the reviews (or something else weird happened).

https://www.warlight.net/Map/19780-Europe-30

Back above 3.7.

Edited 7/23/2015 02:21:12

Wow, you should all be ashamed of yourselves. Fridge literally retired months ago, how the hell is Ra supposed to know he came back? Was he just supposed to sit there and wait for fridge to come back? It was an unfinished map, fridge should have been happy it got published.

Honestly, you act like wolves, waiting for any ounce of drama to pounce on.

Tl;dr Fridge is just salty he didn't get as much credit as he wanted. Boo fucking who, you should have published it.

I feel like knyte was on to something when he said or something else weird happened

I feel like RA either convinced a bunch of players to write good reviews/rate highly, or he hacked some players. I have no evidence, so this is not an accusation. Lawlz's comment is irrelevant to hacking, Lawlz always writes things that disagree with everyone else just to be shocking.

Anyway, I want everyone that Rated this map a 1 to check their rating of this map (Mine is Still 1).

Edited 7/23/2015 02:51:39

Lawlz's comment is irrelevant to hacking, Lawlz always writes things that disagree with everyone else just to be shocking.

Except when I don't. Different opinion≠Intentional bait

If RA wanted to make a good Europe map, he could've made it from scratch.

The map was Fridge's artwork. Fridge had a right to determine how it could be used- he put time and effort (and not insignificant amounts, by the look of things) into it.

Just because Fridge might not have published it himself doesn't give RA the right to steal his work, use it without his permission, and claim it as his own (reducing Fridge's credit to just "idea"). It also doesn't give him the right to refuse to credit Fridge or to behave belligerently when called out for it.

It's horrible for mapmakers to no longer feel secure about their creations. People who make things have a right to control how they are used- even Fizzer seems to agree with that.

Shame on you for standing up for RA and acting like Fridge had no rights to something he made.

If RA wanted to make a good Europe map, he could've made it from scratch.

He already did. https://www.warlight.net/Map/14319-Europe-20

Oh yes, I forgot what a completely original idea Europe is!

Absolute trash, Fridge didn't publish anything, and decided to retire without publishing. That means it was insignificant enough to him that there should be no need to be salty. He's more likely angry about the fact that Ra gave him the middle finger and reduced credit. In fact, almost all the people in this thread seem more outraged than fridge actually was. Europe is like "baby's first map". This isn't and shouldn't even be a significant topic.

Europe is like "baby's first map".

I challange you, find me a map that is better than this:

https://www.warlight.net/Map/73-Europe

Edited 7/23/2015 03:09:24

https://www.warlight.net/Map/19780-Europe-30

:^)

Europe as an idea? Yes, it's a common map. But that's like saying "paintings of a woman are like... baby's first portrait" to defend someone copying and stealing the Mona Lisa and claiming it's their own. Not to say that Fridge's map was a legendary Europe map, but it was a specific and good implementation of the Europe idea, and while he can't claim the right to the entire idea, he does have a right to his own implementation of it.

It's just like how Sergey Brin and Larry Page don't have a claim to the idea of search engines (for every Google (the Europe map Ben linked), there's a Bing (Europe 3.0) and an AltaVista (most Europe maps)) but have the right to their own specific code.

To use a more personal "I care about intellectual property because otherwise my field wouldn't really exist" example, there's a few of Python/Ruby/Java/C++ files on my computer that I made (mostly) but never completed and don't plan to release. While the world may, in some way, shape, or form, benefit from my particular implementation of 3D 2048 (kind of like "baby's first Python project"), that doesn't give someone else the right to steal, copy, and release it as their own.

@Ben: you know what I meant... >_> If he wanted to make another Europe map, he should've made it from scratch too.

Edited 7/23/2015 03:17:53

Also my vote got it below 3 and now that doesn't matter :(

>Fridge retires
>Ra knows about fridges map
>Recreates it, gives Fridge some credit
>Fridge comes back
>"You stole my map"
>lolwutdealwithit.jpg
>Fridge makes drama thread

Recreates? Find the differences in the two maps (I found like 2). There are more differences in "Ice Ice Baby" and "Under Pressure" than these two maps.

Edited 7/23/2015 03:25:27

> Fridge puts all the effort into making a decent Europe map
> Fridge decides he doesn't want to release it
> RA decides he knows better
> RA decides to copy Fridge's map and release it as his own
> Fridge comes back and calls him out for it
> RA doesn't apologize or decide to actually credit Fridge for making the map
> People think RA's being a dick and decide to rate his map down to discourage this behavior
> RA makes a bunch of alts and rates his own map about 40 times
> Lawlz, clearly not aware of how intellectual property works, decides RA could do what the fuck he wants and that Fridge (and the majority of people) are just here to create drama, chimes in
> knyte tries to explain to Lawlz how intellectual property works and why it's important
> Lawlz doesn't get it and keeps making the same argument
> mfw



Edited 7/23/2015 03:26:22

>mfw you think this is an actual legal situation
>mfw you think anyone gives that much of a shit
>mfw you will continue defending salty behavior with "intellectual property" arguments

Also, deciding to retire is "who cares about this map I'm done with this game anyways."

> mfw you keep saying RA had a right to something someone else made



Edited 7/23/2015 03:34:26

Lets say knyte is making a map, but retires before finishing it. I like the idea, so I decide to send knyte an E-Mail, saying "Hey. I really like your map and sad that you can't finish it. Would you mind if I remade it, because I think the community could really use this". Within a day or two, knyte replies: "Sure thing Ben. Here is the SVG: *File*" So I publish the map, no problems happened.

Edited 7/23/2015 03:34:47

^ That said, you really don't want to release "Mexico Region 1846." There's a reason I just gave up instead of trying to fix it.

>message a person after they retire
>expect response
>completely serious

8. Intellectual Property Rights
A. Copyright Information and Personal & Non-Commercial Use Limitation
All Service and the compilation of all content included on this Website are owned or licensed by Warlight and/or its affiliates and protected by United States and international copyright laws (© 2009-2015 Warlight. All Rights Reserved). Warlight does not claim ownership of copyrights owned by third parties.

Explain the part where Fridge owns anything he puts on this site.

Warlight does not claim ownership of copyrights owned by third parties.

This part.

> thinking that this is a legal issue and not an ethical one
> attacking everyone for caring
> yet responding to every response he gets
> acting like people shouldn't care
> being the only person who actually looks at the ToS
> caring this much

I don't think anyone here seriously thinks Fridge has any legal recourse. We're just taking actions as a community to discourage RA's unethical behavior from happening again.

Edited 7/23/2015 03:43:30