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New Map - World 1789: 5/23/2015 18:35:16


Жұқтыру
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Still most powerful, up until the 1810s.
New Map - World 1789: 5/23/2015 18:41:03

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Juq, Apollo is right, Spain was no longer as powerful as in the 1600s, economically in crisis, and its army/navy no longer frightened anybody.
New Map - World 1789: 5/23/2015 18:46:36

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I would say that the turning point was the invicible armada defeat, which proved that Spain has no longer the supremacy of the Seas.

About UK, the reforms initiated by William III and the Dutch were decisive (as they brought their knowledge in economics and finance) and also a turning point for the next centuries.
New Map - World 1789: 5/23/2015 18:57:27


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Change the name of the territory "Tampa" Tampa did not exists to the 19th century.
Instead call it St Augustine which was the main Spanish settlement
New Map - World 1789: 5/23/2015 19:08:32

iamtaller
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I'd be willing to help test the map.
New Map - World 1789: 5/23/2015 19:14:09


Mudderducker 
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Still most powerful, up until the 1810s.
More like the 1710's, by the 1810's there were many countries more powerful than Spain.
New Map - World 1789: 5/23/2015 20:33:35

I_KaS_I
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I want,if i can.
New Map - World 1789: 5/23/2015 21:18:52


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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If, in 1800, a Spaniard reflected back upon the Spanish Empire's history, he would describe the 1710s as one of the lowest points. The Bourbon reforms actually did a lot to help Spain recover from the dark days and you could even argue that it had overtaken France by 1789. A lot of people seem to think that Spain peeked in about 1600 and then declined from then on, but this is not true. It had a second peek in the late 18th Century.
New Map - World 1789: 5/23/2015 21:43:28

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Indeed Spain had a period of growth after the Bourbon's reforms, but should we go as far as to say that it had overtaken France which was during that period by far the first european power? I dont think so.
New Map - World 1789: 5/24/2015 07:16:52


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I don't believe France controlled Nice at this point (Sardinia Piedmont did) so it should be renamed to Marseilles or Toulon. Also is it intentianal that you have named islands after the islands whilst naming everything else after the cities? It's not just islands but colonies as well.
New Map - World 1789: 5/24/2015 14:11:53


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il be testing as usual.
New Map - World 1789: 5/24/2015 16:12:20


Жұқтыру
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If only I had more time to specify how it was more powerful...

I'll leave you at this - from the 1800s roughly, the European powers realised that Spain was way too powerful. So, when Bolivar and that other mate started going for independence, they jumped on the chance - Britain blockaded South America from Spain. Same thing with Portugal, though Portugal was weaker and I don't think they even tried to blockade Brazil, as Portual knew that it's navy would be absolutely smashed by French or British navies, and so they allowed a bloodless Brazilian independence.
New Map - World 1789: 5/24/2015 18:05:36

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Juq, Spain was not powerful anymore in the 1790's despite having a true potential, all their wealth they accumulated was wasted to build Churches with golden altars (Spanish churches are very beautiful indeed if you visit Spain), and to their clerical "caste" (more than any country, Spain was stuck in a religious fondamentalism since the 1550-1600s), whereas their people were starving.
New Map - World 1789: 5/24/2015 19:57:45


҈ * TeeMee123҈ *
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This could become one of the best world maps you know.
New Map - World 1789: 5/25/2015 03:59:29


TheJewishRajj
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i would love to test this map
New Map - World 1789: 5/25/2015 11:30:46


MrOobling
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Lisbon territory is part of Coimbra bonus instead of Lisbon bonus.
New Map - World 1789: 5/25/2015 12:56:51


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Жұқтыру, you've got this the wrong way round. It was only after the failed British Invasion of Rio de la Plata in 1806 that made the Latin Americans realize they didn't need Spain. Because of the naval blockade, they were already effectively governing themselves and when the success of defending against the British was the last straw, and two years later, the United States of Rio de la Plata was born, which would become Brazil.

The worries over power were focused on France by this point, as the instability of the revolution was highly troubling for the great monarchies of Europe, such as Spain, Britain and Austria, which is why they were so intent on restoring the Bourbons to the French Throne. Concerns over Spanish power were minimal when compared with those over the French counterpart.

The naval blockade was also irrelevant to the Brazilian Independence movement. It began in 1822 and finished in 1825, several years after the naval blockade and Napoleonic Wars ended. Additionally, considering the naval blockade was British, it didn't harass Portuguese ships, because Portugal and England had been allies since the 1300s.

Edited 6/5/2015 12:18:08
New Map - World 1789: 6/5/2015 08:36:14


d1plons 
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Gotta love Warlight for history debates lol
New Map - World 1789: 6/13/2015 01:32:08

The Juggernaut
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I would like to help test out
New Map - World 1789: 6/13/2015 02:13:10

[Wolf] {F} Kellen the Conquerer
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England had very little power on the European continent up until 1815.
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