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Armenian genocide, 100th Anniversary: 4/25/2015 18:02:24

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Yesterday marked the day of the remembrance day of the Armenian genocide.
100 years ago, on April 24, 1915, Ottoman authorities in what is now present-day Turkey began rounding up and executing Armenians under their rule. An estimated 1.5 million Armenians were killed (not even counting casualties of the greek and assyrian genocide)
This also marked the first genocide of modern history.

Will Turkey ever recognize it?

Armenian genocide, 100th Anniversary: 4/25/2015 18:41:10


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Armenian genocide, 100th Anniversary: 4/25/2015 18:41:27


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It's time for Greeks and Turks to stop fighting. It's been 4000 years.
Armenian genocide, 100th Anniversary: 4/25/2015 19:07:26

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Maybe, probably they are afraid of the Armenians to seek compensation, or is it the kind of image that as long as they deny people would really think it's wrong, and it's not real, there will always be people like that
Armenian genocide, 100th Anniversary: 4/25/2015 19:45:06


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It's time for Greeks and Turks to stop fighting. It's been 4000 years.

You are confused. The Greco-Persian wars, which took place between 499 BC and 450 BC were not Greece vs Turkey. It was Greek States vs Achaemenid Persia. The Turkic Tribes lived in central Asia, and Mongolia from at least 600s AD. The first evidence of Turkic Tribes (The Seljuq Turks) in Anatolia were in the 1000s (century). At that point, Byzantium had many wars with the Great Seljuq Empire, so if we are to just fill in all the blanks when there wasn't a form of Greece, let's say that Greece has been at Turkey for 1000 years. This includes the early Byzantine-Seljuq wars, the wars against the Ottomans, the First Balkan War, and the conflict over Cyprus, as well as many, many other conflicts.

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Armenian genocide, 100th Anniversary: 4/25/2015 19:50:39

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It 600-700 years of conflict Greek - Turkish.
Armenian genocide, 100th Anniversary: 4/25/2015 19:52:12


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If you count the crusades, it's 900-1000 years old.

Edited 4/25/2015 19:52:34
Armenian genocide, 100th Anniversary: 4/25/2015 20:29:22


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You are confused. The Greco-Persian wars, which took place between 499 BC and 450 BC were not Greece vs Turkey. It was Greek States vs Achaemenid Persia. The Turkic Tribes lived in central Asia, and Mongolia from at least 600s AD. The first evidence of Turkic Tribes (The Seljuq Turks) in Anatolia were in the 1000s (century). At that point, Byzantium had many wars with the Great Seljuq Empire, so if we are to just fill in all the blanks when there wasn't a form of Greece, let's say that Greece has been at Turkey for 1000 years. This includes the early Byzantine-Seljuq wars, the wars against the Ottomans, the First Balkan War, and the conflict over Cyprus, as well as many, many other conflicts.

Trojan War, by Turks i just mean people living in Turkey

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Armenian genocide, 100th Anniversary: 4/25/2015 21:29:15


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Joint with the 100th anniversary of the start of the Gallipoli campaign.
Armenian genocide, 100th Anniversary: 4/25/2015 22:01:45


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A moment of silence.

So many dead is no joke.

-_-
Armenian genocide, 100th Anniversary: 4/26/2015 08:03:03


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not even a little laugh at everyone getting up early and walking down the main street?
nah, lets be all nice to the armenians and australians and kiwis and everyone else too. lest we forget,
Armenian genocide, 100th Anniversary: 4/26/2015 08:49:54


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Thomas don´t you prove a point by saying "least we forget", that every crime is rightful, as everyone would forget it anyway and in 100 years later hardly anyone remembers or cares.

Angry panda how many genocides there were before "modern" era? Just to let you know NONE! There is no difference in MODERN -PREMODERN genocide. Genocide= modern as 20th century conception of crime against humanity by mass murdering peoples under a law. And nice to see you promote historical memory. Yet what´s the point if people do not understand why it is problem at current politics?

Second about Greek and Turkish conflict? How faulty can be ones thinking that in time before 19th early 20th century existed nations. Best way to see how manipulated historically people are either by their own countries historical propaganda or world-wide non-academic interpretation.

The thinking point is that even 100 years later, our deeply moral and Human Right centered western world does not recognize Armenian Genocide! It proves the point of foreign policy which is ethic-free, as once recognizing this massacre and connecting it with argument that Turkey is successor state of Ottoman Empire, then it would lead to bad image. After all if you have 100 years brainwashed your own people would you imagine telling, them oh.. sorry yeah we do killed 1.5m armenians. Therefore hardly any Europe country wants to mess up relations with Turkey, especially in 20th century for its strategic location and NATO bases in 50s for Korean War.

There are no compensations for that it was pre and after WWI. No obligation in international law could reach there. If armenians claim their homeland no international law can support it or what-ever compensation. It was settled long ago! Even WW II is long locked now. And as far it goes even Soviet Unions occupation reparations are thought nowadays a bit joke from eastern EU-countries, and Russia will never pay them off. Yet they are much more acute and even under law of international war law section.

If armenians want their historical homeland they are only left with brute force! But come to your senses. Just think of border changes and people dislocation in WW I - how many countries could start asking claims according to it. Too many! Its just stupid political rhetoric, used over time by populist politicians. And fools who consider it as real claims.
Armenian genocide, 100th Anniversary: 4/26/2015 09:11:51


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And this forum has just been tranquilized
Armenian genocide, 100th Anniversary: 4/26/2015 09:33:32

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Angry panda how many genocides there were before "modern" era? Just to let you know NONE! There is no difference in MODERN -PREMODERN genocide.


Some examples of premodern genocides (non exclusive list):
- first genocide ever against the Neanderthals which may be the reason of their extinction.
- Anasazi genocide during the 9th century.
- Albigensian crusade, where the Occitan nobility was totally replaced by the northern French nobility, and the people were massmurdered because of their beliefs.
- Massacre of the Chinese by the Mongols (up to 40 million people killed)
- Extermination of the natives of Easter Island by the Peruvian esclavagists.
- Indian genocide during the European colonization of America (if diceases were first spread unentionally, there were also intentional use of disease as a biological weapon against indigenous populations)
- The Black War, in the Tasmanian island, where local aboriginals were totally wiped out.
- Circassian cleansing by Russia during the 19th century.


If armenians claim their homeland no international law can support it or what-ever compensation. It was settled long ago!


The international law can change, it is never too late, and considering some people who are still alive nowadays experienced that genocide and can still tell to their family and children what they endured, I would not say it was "settled long ago".

After all if you have 100 years brainwashed your own people would you imagine telling, them oh.. sorry yeah we do killed 1.5m armenian


Most of the Armenian descendants just want public apologies from Turkey, nothing more nothing less, such as what Germany did for the Holocaust victims, Australia for the Aboriginal massacre, America for the Native indian massacre, etc, etc.
Considering the monstrous threat genocide poses to the values that our democracies hold most dear, a threat that continues into the 21st century, there is a clear responsibility to step up to the historical moment, call this crime by its rightful name, and declare it intolerable.




Therefore hardly any Europe country wants to mess up relations with Turkey, especially in 20th century for its strategic location and NATO bases in 50s for Korean War.

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Too many! Its just stupid political rhetoric, used over time by populist politicians. And fools who consider it as real claims.


You contradict yourself here, it is political rhetoric to make some absurd promises to not recognize a real genocide in order not to upset the Turkish side, burying our head in the sand: "laissez-faire, I don't care", just because of geopolitics, we are talking about real people here, millions of people who suffered atrocities and abominations.
And it is not even a wise decision to let a nondemocratic, authoritarian Turkey creates more of a security problem than it solves when it makes the consistent denial of historical injustices an integral part of its security policy. It is exactly this attitude that delays not only democratization in the region, but also destabilizes relationships in the volatile Middle East. The main problems in the region relate to insecurity felt by ethnic groups towards each other as a result of historical injustices (such as what Kurds, Alevis, Armenians, and other Christians perceive Turkey through the prism of history). Persistent denial of the past is not an effective security policy.
Armenian genocide, 100th Anniversary: 4/26/2015 10:05:08


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I love genocide... the holocaust, the reconquest of Grenada, the massacre of Glencoe, the Rewandan genocide, the Bosnian genocide, the Zionist occupation, the Ottoman occupation of Dir'iyyah, the Yazidi persecution by ISIL, the NATO invasion of Iraq, the list goes on... all this inspiring love and compassion into our hearts. Genocide. Should have gone to specsavers.
Armenian genocide, 100th Anniversary: 4/26/2015 10:53:54


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Thomas don´t you prove a point by saying "least we forget", that every crime is rightful, as everyone would forget it anyway and in 100 years later hardly anyone remembers or cares.


"Lest we forget" is a saying said by many during ANZAC day reminding us why we do this, We do it "Lest we forget" :)
Armenian genocide, 100th Anniversary: 4/26/2015 10:57:11


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colonel, do you have those specsavers ads as well??
Armenian genocide, 100th Anniversary: 4/26/2015 13:27:18


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I remember them from TV in Britain... classics. I still watch British TV.
Armenian genocide, 100th Anniversary: 4/28/2015 11:53:03


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I love genocide... the holocaust, the reconquest of Grenada, the massacre of Glencoe, the Rewandan genocide, the Bosnian genocide, the Zionist occupation, the Ottoman occupation of Dir'iyyah, the Yazidi persecution by ISIL, the NATO invasion of Iraq, the list goes on... all this inspiring love and compassion into our hearts. Genocide. Should have gone to specsavers.


You should go to the Tolerance and Acceptance Death Camp!
Armenian genocide, 100th Anniversary: 4/29/2015 06:49:31


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Whatever... genocide against black people doesn't count. ;)
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