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DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 02:39:45

JS0223
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There is already a problem in Warlight: it will become Warzone. I wish I could say I'll never play again, but I will. I'm too addicted to the game to worry about the name.

However, the details of the actual game???!!! That's something I have to talk about.

DIPLOMACY GAMES - I think we should ban these forever. The whole thing is basically claim this, PE that, and others. There have been lots of blacklists because of those "DIPLOMACY" games, and now you can't even join a lot of FFAs (free for alls) because you were a PE in a diplomacy game and were blacklisted (this never happened to me, but I know that it will).

Basically diplomacy games are a war in chat, not a war on the map with armies. People spend 2 hours waiting for the game to start, and then when the host isn't even there anymore they expect you to wait for the host's permission to boot. Then you get impatient, boot anyway, and become a PE and get blacklisted for all that nonsense???!!!

This is very, very, VERY unfair and is just a big load of nonsense. So I think we should just ban and delete all diplomacy games from Warlight (I'm still not ready to call it Warzone) FOREVER!!!

P.S. Many people are quitting because there were a lot of PEs in a diplomacy game.
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 02:43:59


Eklipse
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Diplomacy games are a niche designed for certain types of people. True, there are some bad diplomacy games but not all are as bad as what you described. Done right a Diplo can be a really fun role-play/risk combination.

There's no reason at all to ban diplomacy games.
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 02:50:12

JS0223
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There probably wouldn't be enough "certain types of people" in Warlight to fill up one diplomacy game! Besides, more and more are quitting because of PEs that disrupt the game (It's not like it's really even a game, just basically a fight about one). People get booted because they're too busy chatting and fighting to worry about the game and get booted by a PE, then the PE gets blacklisted. Then someone makes a regular game/FFA, and the former Diplomacy PE can't join because they're blacklisted, in some cases, this might make them quit, additionally to the mad fighters who quit.
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 02:50:31


[ BTF] consequence777
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If War-light did not sponsor/host Diplomacy Matches then some other Network would. If you cannot abide by Diplomacy standards then you will be blacklisted from them and unable to play them. And your problem will be solved. Even if this effects in any way shape or form your experience in Free for all games then avoid Diplomacy games and don't get blacklisted. A community of war-light loving people come here everyday to play in diplomacy matches.
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 02:52:32


[ BTF] consequence777
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Also it is the right of every War-light individual player to blacklist as they please. That is why the option is gifted to them. If you are not wanted in their games period then that is you fault alone. Learn better social skills.
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 02:52:58


Eklipse
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There's enough to fill up multiple Diplomacy games, obviously. If there weren't than diplos wouldn't be a thing. Plus, all the problems you're talking about are only in real-time diplomacy games. The multi-day versions tend to be a lot better organized and have next to zero of the problems you mentioned.
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 02:54:22

Captain Oblivious
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Maybee inshtead of pluying diplumecy u shuld git ur 1v1 win r8 hi lyk mine.
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 02:56:03


Nex
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Lol, only 75%? Your alt needs work, bro. You should play Calculator sometime, https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=6735903513




Diplomacy games really aren't worth it. Play 1v1 and team games, those are much better for your sanity :)
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 02:56:46

JS0223
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When they blacklist you they couldn't care less about FFA games. They're blacklisting you from diplomacys, but blacklist you from FFAs at the same time accidentally. This is really a problem, even if it is only real-times.
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 02:58:56

JS0223
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I agree with Forbidden Knowledge. THEY'RE NOT WORTH IT!!! People rarely win them anyway, and even if they do, only because half the people surrendered, were PEs, or were booted!
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 03:02:07

Captain Oblivious
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^at least try not to get the boot half the time before complaining about booted people then
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 03:03:52

JS0223
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Those were all 1 or 2 minute boot time games. And by the way, IT IS NOT THE POINT how much I get booted!
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 03:05:06

JS0223
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The Warlight players aren't smart enough to realize that Diplomacy games are a big waste of time and a big piece of junk. Fizzer needs to look into this.
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 03:09:12


MysteryManBall
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^^Its just you lose to diplos 100% of the time or you play real time diplos , play multiday diplos if you think its a watse of time.
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 03:11:21


Thomas 633
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aaand... you invoked fizzer.... Nothing will happen...
(ive got a fever so what I am saying may not be entirely logical)
I will invite you to a RP/Diplo I am making, it will be multi-day 3 day autoboot. I promise, when you play with friends diplos have a LOT less PE'ing (that is mainly lowlevel players) and less trolling.
Accept or Decline, but if you don't at least try my game you have lost this argument in my opinion. that would be like bitching about a game when you get an alpha build
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 03:13:17


Жұқтыру
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There's a reason for every blacklist. If you hate diplomacy games so much, why do you join them?
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 03:51:22

M. Poireau
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The Warlight players aren't smart enough to realize that Diplomacy games are a big waste of time and a big piece of junk. Fizzer needs to look into this.


While I agree that a lot of Diplomacy games are bizarre arguments over stupid details, I disagree with this big-time. Your opinion on Diplomacy games, whether I agree with it or not, is not relevant to Fizzer or the structure of this site and the development of this game.

I am a big believer in individual freedoms.

If people want to play a certain game a certain way... there's no reason they shouldn't be allowed to.

(How would you stop them, anyway? They'll keep doing it. That's the beauty of being endowed with free will.)

This has absolutely nothing to do with Fizzer.

If you don't like Diplomacy games, you have every right not to join any. Exercise that right!
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 04:53:57


[WL] Colonel Harthacanute
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Some people like arguing over nonsense. Who are you to police them?

The Falcons, the Wolves, the Juggernauts and a load of others are full of keen diplomacy players.
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 05:04:22


Poseidó̱nas
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I always say and I will always continue to say that if you dislike diplomacies or the people who play them then you are either.
1. Bad at them. (yes you can be bad at diplos)
or
2. Playing with the wrong people and/or with bad templates.
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 05:20:33


[WL] Colonel Harthacanute
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Bad templates is a serious problem. I am constantly finding diplos setup by people who have very recently only joined WarLight who have no idea what they are doing. Maybe people should have to reach a certain level before they are allowed to create a game?
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 05:43:55


Poseidó̱nas
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Like Thomas' templates? :D
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 15:36:58

JS0223
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Why do people keep saying they are bad but some people like them? It's they are bad, period.
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 15:50:55


Жұқтыру
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Because they're bad and some folk like them. It's pretty simple to understand.
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 15:57:24


Sephiroth 
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you're in my blacklist too and i've never played a diplomacy game ever

Edited 4/8/2015 16:01:24
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 16:13:33


[ESP] Pablo García
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Many people in Warlight love diplomacies, there are many clans created mostly for them, like mine. Anyway, if you don't like diplos, don't join them, that's all.

And I'm sorry if all diplos you've joined went bad, but there are many ones that I have really enjoyed, having won them or not.
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 16:24:18


indibob 
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i come from a background of playing the real diplomacy game. I have absolutely no wish to play these games on here. There are specific websites to play Diplomacy.
However, i see no reason at all to ban these games. If people wish to play them then let them. Youre not forcedto play in any game on here unless you sign up for it.
You should leave people be unless they are harming you directly and since you dont like Dip games, then i really dont see how they can harm you.
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 16:33:17


Tyrion Lannister
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Where can you play the board game diplomacy online? message me that :D

anyway... lots of diplos are good. especially in games where everyone knows each other, i've played in games where up to turn 10 there were no PE's/booted players.

If you have a problem with diplos, YOUR A NOOB.

or you dont know about settings/view custom scenario.

always double check settings.
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 16:40:06


shyb
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i really don't see how a certain kind of game could be a problem for someone that doesn't join that kind of game. no one is forced to join. i've never noticed a diplo, or the fact that diplos exist, causing any problems in other games.

and you calling them bad is just your opinion. i somewhat agree with that opinion, but that's beside the point.
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 17:30:28


Ranek
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I guess it is nearly impossible to ban diplo games, which makes the whole discussion pointless. =D Although I would really like to know how you would realize to ban those games...

Edited 4/8/2015 17:32:32
DIPLOMACY GAMES - BIG PROBLEM: 4/8/2015 18:17:19


Martyrose
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JS0223, if you do not like diplomacy games then do not join them. There are plenty of people who do like diplomacy games.
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