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Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 11:48:13

Austin Williams
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I started multiplayer two days ago, and I've already noticed a disgusting amount of homophobia on this site, through the forums and public chats.

Are there many mature, open-minded clans? Or do the majority of the people on this site spew hatred? If the problem is in the core of the community, meaning it is tolerated without rebuke, I don't really want to go near the forums again.
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 11:59:59

Nauzhror 
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The homophobes make up a small minority. Unfortunately not the mute minority.
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 12:06:27

(retired)
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Austin by creating this post you are giving them some importance again and advertize more or less their message of hatred. So please instead of creating useless discusssions such as this one again, which will certainly allow Colonel, Lawlz and their minions to throw their venom here, why not just boycott any of these discussions, people are always answering them, that's actually what they really want. Just ignore them (as I will do now)

Edited 4/2/2015 12:08:40
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 12:09:09


The Lord
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Homophobes are a loud minority here, concentrated on the lower half of the Bell curve, clan-wise on Falcons and Wolves. Most clans are anti-homophobic I guess.
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 12:12:06

Austin Williams
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That's fine, you can act like a human being when suggesting it though. Likening myself to them.
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 12:13:08


Thomas 633
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Homophobia is a little problem
immaturity is a larger problem
just go and tell colonel to shut up and you will get some quite excellent reasons for homophobia (but I don't support it personally)

its like tony abbott
everyone really does support him to an extent
but whenever he spews verbal idiocy out of his mouth the politicians all go and lay low for a while
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 12:36:53


Ska2D2 
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It's a newer phenomenon, I think because the site is linked to other gaming sites more now, like Kongregate. But Fizzer / Mercer the Mods whomever don't really clamp down on it.

That's probably because for the first few years here the community was mature and had good conversations on this forums so I don't think they want to regulate them with a heavy hand.

Though those kinds of hate threads, and hate names should in my opinion be clamped down upon more. Unfortunately people who make that kind of post can't be reasoned with, so you need to find another way.
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 12:36:57


Eklipse
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Homophobia is a word that's being thrown around so much without having any real meaning. A thicker skin is good defense against "homophobia" though.

As for immaturity, there's a lot of that, but with the exception of a few people it's not THAT bad of an issue.
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 12:40:10


Green 
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It's purely due to the increasing popularity of the forums, you get people with big voices who want to be heard. This is why many websites with forums and/or comments have voting and flagging options to allow to community to hide potentially offensive or provocative remarks. Also, many websites have strict rules to help the moderators control this behaviour. It's the curse that comes with the anonymity of the internet and a balance between control and freedom needs to be struck.
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 12:40:30

Austin Williams
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Homophobia seems to be pretty straightforward, a hate/disdain/fear of homosexuality. A good defense against sort of discrimination is to act like a reasonable human being. Thick skin is nice, what's nicer are the people who realize this is wrong, speaking against it.
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 12:41:26


Ska2D2 
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@Angry Panda, see your point of view. Hopefully though a new player (assuming not an alt) making a thread with this observation may make Fizzer realize it's not a good image for warlight/zone - probably take someone contacting google before he changes anything mind ... nudity anyone? [righ knight call back] ;))

Edited 4/2/2015 12:41:53
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 12:45:25


TheSpartan
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austin join the sword of islam we r a respectful clan and always are glad to welcome new members
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 12:46:51


The Lone Wolf
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The wolves r the best clan on here @ska2d2
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 12:48:34


Ska2D2 
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@ The Lone Wolf ^^ are you reading a different thread to everyone else?
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 12:52:00

Austin Williams
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Bringing up an obvious issue no more promotes or advertises their ideology than they already do. Acting like this is going to disappear is the same as simply gritting one's teeth as you get called a fag in the public chat before a game, or ignoring an LGBT "Re-Education" thread.

Should we ban or disallow this talk? Absolutely not. Should we ignore it? Absolutely not. Engage these people peacefully when possible and explain your views, report them for slurs or insults.

A group of forum-goers or general WL players should take up some sort of open-acceptance, for everyone, not just LGBT, and should stand against general harassment and hate.
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 13:06:28

Pulsey
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Austin.

Homosexuality is an open and ongoing debate thats highly controversial and there are many mature people with sound arguments that disagree with you. I'm not saying who's right and who's wrong but it just sounds incredibly arrogant because you seem to be assuming that you're immediately on the moral high ground when it comes to this issue.

Just my impression anyway.

Edited 4/2/2015 13:20:15
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 13:07:28


Genghis 
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Austin, just stop. The best thing to do is ignore the topic. It doesn't really matter on a website about strategic compromise.

Edit :

@Pulsey

I'll find you that clap clap gif later,but you've certainly earned a clap clap gif.

Edited 4/2/2015 13:08:42
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 13:15:25

Austin Williams
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Thinking people should be reported for slurs, and that harassment shouldn't be tolerated it taking a moral high ground? Good to know.

Homophobia isn't an open or ongoing debate, homophobia is one side to the debate about homosexuality.
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 13:19:01


shyb
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pulsey are you serious? i don't think it's up for debate at all, and anyone that tries to debate it is a sad pathetic cave dweller. discriminating against people because of their gender, race, or sexual preference is just plain wrong. i figured this out 20 YEARS AGO. and i come from indiana (ya know the state that's in the news for being anti-LGBT).

until fizzer decides to moderate these forums properly i think any kind of bigotry needs to be shouted down immediately. of course the best solution is for the bigots to shut the fuck up and play the game, but until they do i'm gonna call them out.

and i don't care if you agree with me or not, because i know i'm right.
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 13:22:05

Pulsey
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Homophobia isn't neccesarily harrassment. Showing a simple, quiet, aversion to homosexuality is homophobia too. And some people have strong views on this with reasonable arguments. Its still a very open debate.

Homophobia isn't an open or ongoing debate, homophobia is one side to the debate about homosexuality.


You are right. I've edited.
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 13:23:05

Pulsey
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and i don't care if you agree with me or not, because i know i'm right.


What can I say.
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 13:23:08

Nauzhror 
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@Pulsey Of course he's on the moral high ground. Even the religious zealots spewing their filth are being ridiculously hypocritical.

While they're more than welcome to hold their dimwitted views them vocalizing them breaks their own tenant:

Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you shall be forgiven.

Although vocalizing their views does make it much easier to write them off as a brainwashed idiot not worth giving the time of day, so there is that advantage.

Discrimination of any sort is never going to be the moral high ground.

Edited 4/2/2015 13:24:02
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 13:23:33


TheSpartan
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im in support of the wolves
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 13:48:38


Genghis 
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Sup we shouldn't discriminate against insane people, and let them roam free?

We shouldn't discriminate against bestiality because it's their life choice?

Discrimination is necessary, not discriminating is as stupid as discriminating everything. Balance is necessary, and people hate change moreso than the issue itself. People don't want LGBT because it's not the world we grew up in, but for our kids it will be,and that's what scares most people on the homophobic side (other people influencing their child in a way they deem negative).

Edit : typo

Edited 4/2/2015 13:49:24
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 13:50:33

Pulsey
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Discrimination of any sort is never going to be the moral high ground


I do agree. But I believe its not reasonable to assume that homophobia itself is immoral when there is still so much controversy about it. Homophobia is something people have no control over, sure, the actions and discriminations resulting from this can be immoral, but homophobia by itself is just a trait, a natural preference of something over the other.

I will use an example I read from another source : Say a man doesn't like girls with brown eyes. So when it comes to having a relationship, the guy displays aversion towards girls with brown eyes. Does this make him immoral? Absolutely not. Its similar to homophobia. Its natural (he has no control over his preference of girls with brown eyes) and it doesn't the man him immoral.

Edited 4/2/2015 13:51:15
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 13:53:07


Lawlz
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>taking something bad and making bullshit

OnlyinChina™
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 13:55:44

Pulsey
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>taking something bad and making bullshit

OnlyinChina™


I assume that was aimed at me. At least the people working in China are having jobs and making productive contributions to the world! The same cannot be said, however, for...
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 13:56:07


Ska2D2 
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In this example does the the man display an aversion to anyone that is in a relationship with a girl with brown eyes?

If not it's a really bad analogy to homophobia.

@Lawlz. Dude you can't bash on people for being discriminatory then throw in racial stuff. That's just as bad, and it makes you the same.

Edited 4/2/2015 13:58:31
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 14:01:42


Lawlz
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No no no, see it's fair because racism isn't technically immoral since it's a natural thought to hate other races.
Homophobia/Immaturity In Warlight: 4/2/2015 14:02:53

Austin Williams
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@Genghis

Describe how LGBT people existing, doing normal things, and marrying harm you, your kids, the world, your life, or anything whatsoever. Please tell me how.

@Pulsey
Homophobia is the hate/disdain/fear of gay people and homosexuality. By itself, homophobia is harmless, yes. But when people apply homophobia to institutions,

Ex. Restaurants and businesses being able to refuse gay people, gay people not being able to marry because homophobia exists within the judicial government. People who are homophobic attacking people who are gay.

People in Syria right now, are being thrown off of buildings by ISIS, because they are gay. Homophobia is like any other hateful or fearful ideology, people can believe it, but when it is applied, or practiced, it is catastrophic. Meaning denial of human rights, like here in America, one of the better places to be gay. Or denial of the basic human right, being able to live, like in Syria or any other country where being gay can get you killed or "correctively raped".

Look at nazism or eugenics, nothing wrong there, until both were put into practice. Just like gay people, they simply have a different preference using your argument, with which I agree. Does that make immoral, does that mean they should be denied their rights?

Homophobia applied = Harassment of homosexuals, suicide as a result of bullying, and even death depending on the country or group applying the homophobia.

Homosexuality or Bisexuality or any -ality applied = Nothing bad, happy people in love.

@Lawlz

It's not a natural thought to hate other races...there's no logic or reason behind it. Most people DON'T hate other races.

Edited 4/2/2015 14:04:21
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