Greetings - finally ready for first super ascend. Initially I thought +25% AP is a no brainer. However I have whittled down to 3 legendary artifacts: alloy values, army camp boost, and army cache boost. I literally have no more epics.

Is this going to be a big mistake if I take +1 artifact on my first SA? The alternative is dumping 1 legendary, or going for an insane which will probably take weeks if not months.

Thanks for the input :)

I had at my first super ascension 3 legendaries + 4 epics. I also had coins saved with al the clan wars and multiplayer games to buy a 4th legendary. I waited until I had a 5th epic and created with them them the fifth legendary. While waiting before it became a legendary I quickly boosted an army camp boost into rare. When the legendary was ready I created an insane. And so I super ascended with an insane + rare and the AP boost.

My help for you: maybe you also have a lot of coins to get legendaries?
Do you have the wzib two epics? (First place reward + 25 k Bp reward)
Do you have the hardened copper creek castle epic reward?

If not waiting for an insane I would sacrifice the AV, because armies boost > money boost. But maybe others think differently, because buying mercs are more important than army caches?

Anyway I would still pick the AP boost. But perhaps other more experienced players have better ideas about this. Let’s wait for their comments perhaps as well.

Yes and no, depends on how you enjoy the game.
If you wish to play faster and open up new routes and strategies on how to clear levels, then ditch A^B and take +25AP.
If you like to chill around, dig for a couple more months, make an Insane and pick 25% AP.

I would never recommend under any circumstances to pick the artifact for a first or second super.

I don't have any coins and I've gotten all the battle and level rewards already. I'd prefer to not sit around and dig, so I guess it's pretty clear that I will dump a legendary and proceed with SA and 25% AP.

Interesting that you suggest dumping the army camp boost, I have gone back and forth on if that artifact really helps as much as the others? Hard to say, but I guess if I like to play more active than it makes sense that the army cache boost is better.

ACampB works per second, so the faster you play the less use that has.

While ACacheB works with every click, regardless of how fast you can complete the level.

Added benefit is that army camps are a phase 1 advancement, while army cache are in phase 4.

Eventually ACampB's primairy job becomes making you clan requests, caches, drsfts, etc bigger instead of using it directly to generate armies. Especially on some of the bigger level, you would have to stay on those for days and days to get the same armies from camps as from caches.

I couldn't wait any longer and did my SA with the AV and A cache boost. Thanks again for the input and have a wonderful day.

Nice, congrats and good luck with the next run!

Don't be afraid to use powers to speed up the slow start, since you will get the most millage out of your powers now.

And claim your spot on the https://www.warzone.com/Forum/589522-superascension-leaderboard, you've earned it :)

And join a clan to speed up your progress in Idle. Surprised JK didn't send you an invite already ;)

Congratulations on your first super ascend

I'm a bit late to the party here, but I would have suggested going with the +1 slot, I think it's generally best to try and minimize the value of discarded artifacts (I've thrown away only a small number of Epics, never a Legendary), especially on your first SA.

I took two Legendaries and an Epic along at the end of SA1 and it worked out pretty well. The nice part about that is it lines up your third Legendary fairly well so you can comfortably take +%AP on SA2. The early SAs are a real crunch as you desperately want both more slots and more +%AP, for me it really opened up once I made my first Insane.

I'm approaching SA and seem to be behind due to my artifact level. Currently have ISAC, 8 legendaries and need 3 Epics to finish 2 legends (I'll be going dark for a while). I plan on going with 3 Insane: SAC, ACB, TD. I chose TD in order to reduce Tech requirements by 48% which will reduce smelting/crafting time and ore requirements for advancement. Thoughts?

BTW, I like ISAC since I can walk away and come back to monster troops, play, rinse and repeat with 8 hour breaks.

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Bad Idea. You will progress faster and complete the tech achievements faster if you bring something like Alloy Values, Army Camp Boost, or Army Cache Boost.

Tech Discount is really underpowered compared to a lot of other artifacts which you should be prioritising first.

I chew through tech upgrades as quickly as possible, freeing up all further resources for sale. (I think my Legendaries help a lot). I try to end up with zero resources and zero mercs (I used to buy them up too quickly anyway and left with more territories to go) and zero gold to complete a map. I'm not sure how AV can help? Appreciate your insight.

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Armies come from two sources: sources which require time (e.g. army camps, drafting) and sources which do not require time (e.g. mercs, caches)

You want to get as many armies as you can from the second source so you don’t need to rely on the first source

What this looks like in the context of a super ascend:
1. Put as much AP as possible into Joint Strike and then Increased Mercs to avoid the need to draft out

2. Carry over Army Cache Boost and Cache Boost artifacts at the highest possible tier to maximize the number of armies you can get without a time component

The problem with Tech Discount is you’re investing a crazy amount (5 legendaries!) into the wrong source of armies. Carrying over Cache Boost (or even something like Hospital Boost) instead will help to prioritize the second (better) army source.

Edited 8/1/2025 15:21:52

Thanks. Hate to be a pest, but what about the army camp boosts via tech? The quicker unlocked, the more troops produced across all camps. I typically upgrade camps to $1B and then start using money on mercs when complete. My head hurts.

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when you are utilizing market strat and have good artifacts, you will find that >90% of your armies come from mercenary camps, army caches, and saved by hospitals. the army camp production becomes irrelevant except for start of map (but that can be expedited with supercharge army camp until first market)

I find there's only enough mercs to finish the map when @ 25% to go. (I save them to use as a finishing strategy)

I forgot to check my stats which would create visibility to what's going on. (I'm slow) Thanks.

If you’re running out of mercs it’s because you’re missing one of three elements

1. 150% Additional Mercs
2. Insane Army Cache Boost
3. Insane Cache Boost

If you have all three of these things, your merc problem goes away

I've literally spent years digging and now it all comes down to making the right choice in order to start all over again just to play some locked maps. Yay!

Edited 8/2/2025 09:39:14