Thanks for telling me what I already know mod, but maybe Thomas will get the point eventually.

lawlz lacking self-awareness as always. how do you not see that you are part of the problem, not the solution? the trolls fire off 20 comments and you respond 21 times.

+1 mod. It literally took like 3 people to ruin the whole forum.

Chris I think if you can find a decent way to deal with the above type of stuff, and have a better search function, we'll be most of the way there.

Yeah, if an important thread doesn't get buried, they instead get trashed by trolls. And I'm sorry, but there are more important threads. For example, the discussions on open tournaments, a discussion on ladder mechanics, etc. All those are far more important than 10 threads about royal falcons/lost wolves, white facist forums, the dozens of threads that are just people posting a random you tube link, etc.

While I think the boards should be supply and demand driven (why sticky something nobody cares about), this spamming the forums is a huge issue. If we could combine threads, that would help a lot. Another thing that would help a lot is have the top 'X' amount of threads from each forums shown (I have suggested this many times). I am in a clan, but many people are not. Why should the 'ALL Forums' show them a dozen clan threads on the first page?

Slammy - I have no idea what you mean by me find a way. Outside of Fizzer/Mercer saying they are receptive to some forum changes, everything is a waste of time. And since I have no idea what framework they are using here, I couldn't even mock something up if I wanted to.

Edited 3/25/2015 15:46:42

how about every week the warlight community votes to banish one player forever?

That has been tried in ancient Athens already. Every year, the free men of Athens could vote for one person to be banished from the city state for 10 years. They would write the name of that individual on a clay plate (ostrakismos), and the person getting most votes would be banished.

A common complaint was that only in rare cases would the worst criminals and offenders of Athens get banished. In most cases, it were the most popular and accomplished citizens that got voted out. Why? Envy.

Yeah, then probably someone like Thomas, Lawlz, Bane or some other forum troll like Pooncrew would get voted but then after all trolls are gone perhaps someone would banish a player ChrisCMU who is offended by trolls...

Your name says it all.

Honestly, I just read through this entire block of forum. And I predicted to myself on Page one before Thomas, Bane, Clit, or Lawlz even commented that Thomas was gonna say something that sparks Lawlz to post, and then Clit/Bane post along with it.

Now, if Chris has the opportunity to remove those idiotic posts before a large group of people read them, judge the thread, and then move on. Maybe something major might happen. I support Chris and all that he wants to do. I just hope it gets implemented.

Just to be clear, in my imaginary world where I have these tools, I would split out the shitstorm name calling into a separate thread and let this discussion continue without the name calling spat. But that is because their spat has nothing to do with the topic at all.

I think Thomas was fine to post this:

I am just sick of you thinking your threads are sooo much more important than mine just because mine don't directly relate to warlight, you think that makes me a dick and you absolutely amazing

But then after Lawlz baits him the whole thread gets ruined. Up until then, Thomas was making legit points (about what is deemed important on the boards). We may disagree on this, but he's right to argue his point. Where the discussion goes awry is the personal attacks.

On my boards I am admin on, my procedures would be:
1) Start a new thread titled something like "Lawlz/Thomas argument"
2) post a link back to the thread it was split from
3) move all derailed posts to that new thread
4) post in this thread that the argument was moved to the new location.
...Now the thread should still be on track and they can bicker over who contributes more to the forums.

The key to successful moderation is to be transparent in all actions taken and allow arguments that don't derail important topics (if they do, move them). It is about facilitating dialog, not ending it.

Edited 3/25/2015 19:07:41

it's been relatively quiet of trolls lately actually. i remember forums being much worse some 6 months ago or so. moderators and thread locking already exists afaik though.

Half a page later the thread is only trolls.... I think they are quite active ;)


@Chris, although most of these things would be nice to have, they are not urgent imo. There are other insignificant things to the gameplay that I would like to see changed.

PS: But if I could block users, so that their post are just like they are in gamechats when somebody is blacklisted, I would be so happey

EDIT:

I think Thomas was fine to post this:

I am just sick of you thinking your threads are sooo much more important than mine just because mine don't directly relate to warlight, you think that makes me a dick and you absolutely amazing



But then after Lawlz baits him the whole thread gets ruined. Up until then, Thomas was making legit points (about what is deemed important on the boards). We may disagree on this, but he's right to argue his point. Where the discussion goes awry is the personal attacks.

Yeah, they can make sense, but I`m pretty sure that those aren`t the posts most people are sick of. The post where everybody does nothing else but "fight" or annoy eachother are what irritates most players (or at least me)

Edited 3/25/2015 19:10:59

Min, you make the same point as ps. I'm not saying Fizzer should do this instead of fixing tournament filters or other things people want. What I am saying is allow people to help him here. Start a dialog with some good active posters on here, get a feel for what is needed. Then either allow them to test (outside real forums) these changes, or simply wait for down time to work on it himself. But right now, it seems like it really isn't an issue at all to Fizzer. If that is the case, just tell us. Let us know the boards will remain like this and he will only deal with inappropriate content and for us to just live with it.

I understand I`m making the same point. Its unfortunatly also how more players will feel I`m afraid. I do think that allowing players to help Fizzer would be a good idea, even if its just for the forums. But thats Fizzers decision, not ours.

BTW, I thought there were Forummods for a while, are they still active or have they been disbanned?

Edited 3/25/2015 19:13:50

I am a moderator. But all I can do is move a thread to another forum. I know there are people who can promote threads. What I don't know is if anybody beyond Fizzer/Mercer can edit the content of a post. We know it has happened, but by who? I also doubt that even Fizzer has a built in tool to move posts to another thread.

On my boards I am admin on, my procedures would be:
1) Start a new thread titled something like "Lawlz/Thomas argument"
2) post a link back to the thread it was split from
3) move all derailed posts to that new thread
4) post in this thread that the argument was moved to the new location.
...Now the thread should still be on track and they can bicker over who contributes more to the forums.

Are you saying you're willing to dedicate actual time out of your actual life to an argument between lawlz and thomas?

sounds like 2 votes for banishment.

If it were an important thread like this, yes. Because I think this discussion is that valuable. If the thread is about cars (since there is a thread for that) and they bicker, who cares? It all depends on the value of the discussion.

HEY GUYS WANNA HERE A JOKE?


YOU ALREADY DID!


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On my boards I am admin on, my procedures would be:
1) Start a new thread titled something like "Lawlz/Thomas argument"
2) post a link back to the thread it was split from
3) move all derailed posts to that new thread
4) post in this thread that the argument was moved to the new location.
...Now the thread should still be on track and they can bicker over who contributes more to the forums.

A point of clarification, Chris.

That sounds really good if that were to happen, but in your scenario, who has the power to do all of that? Up until your post at the top of page 4 here, it sounded like you, as the thread creator would have that power. But then you said you are a moderator also. Would whomever creates the thread have the power to manage it, or just the moderators? Taking that question further, it sounds like you would manage your threads responsibly, but what would happen if these threads were created by less responsible people who would just get rid of opposing viewpoints?

Another suggestion for improvement: I like to know what I'm talking about before I post something, so I frequently need to go back a page or two while I'm writing. To do this, I have to copy onto the clipboard whatever I've written then paste it back when I'm ready to write again. Could we make it so we could change pages and not lose what we've written.

Why would the thread creator have any powers? That is a terrible system that would be ripe with abuse. Only moderators can use moderator tools, that way Fizzer has a small pool of those he trusts.

AS far as your suggestion, I often need to reference other posts...but all you have to do is right click, open another page in another tab. Problem solved.

Edited 3/25/2015 21:23:48

maybe if people stopped promoting the same point over and over (I mean how many times does everyone have to keep jumping at lawlz being a transsexual) then the forum would work better.

Note legal term of the word forum:
a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

Does that include jumping up and down at each other (I am guilty of this), although we can give some license to some threads. also what is so wrong with my memes? Sorry that they can be a little big but it isn't intentional (I don't know their size until I post them)

Fizzer or Mercer, if you read this, and get a chance, could you let us know your ideas on this please? I think most of us would trade off some "freedom of expression" for a few of the forums to be moderated quite closely.

in retrospect i guess i have to agree that trolls et al are still around polluting the forums. maybe i got too used to ignoring any text from those kind of people.

Glad to have converted you ps.

Edited 3/30/2015 15:19:05