i'm curious what exactly does one mean when they say they're ^pros at diplomacy^
(i get it you like diplo games i have nothing against it)
take this clan for example :-
https://www.warlight.net/Clans/?ID=94
some say they're pro even if they don't win in ffas or diplos more than average player

how do you classify a pro in diplo games?and more importantly:WHY?!
IMO when someone says they're not good at 1 vs 1 but they're good at diplo games that dosen't even make sense

diplo games are stupid who cares

It's a marketing ploy. Obviously they are not professionals, but to someone reading/looking to join a clan, it may sound appealing. Unless you're getting paid for it, your not practicing a profession. Thus they are not professionals.

I don't think you'll ever understand what does being "good" at diplo games means, because you are competitive players.

I'll explain what factors influence a diplo game. Let's take one where everyone has an equal income. So:

-luck (who gets booted/surrenders)
-if you get involved in a war with someone who has an equal income but minor 1v1 skills compared to yours, you might win. However, you'll win if no one else messes in.
-luck again, or else a good view on the situation (picking the right side in a war)

The problem with diplos is that you should care more what other players will do... since they can be your allies or they can declare war on you, or even both.

so having a lot of luck makes a good diplo Player. got it.

I would say that they RP better than others and know how to pick their enemies and friends better than the adverage players. Their won`t be much else.

I think there are two ways of winning diplos. My way is to expand quickly and slowly destroy your neighbours one-by-one until you're the only one left.

No. How people percieve you is as important as skill in diplo. So tactical ability in a war is as important as the way you are seen by others. You use words and actions to cause this to work in your favour. Also choosing when and who to side with in a war.

Good warlight players who are unable to communicate skillfully will still lose.

Tl; dr diplo games are like the board game diplomacy fused with traditional warlight.

No such thing as pros. If you play them, you may win some but you also lose the same amount and probably more. The game relies on luck and to certain extent diplomacy skills (but even is not too hard to learn). You could say strategy is the only skill that can be seen as pro worthy. But this also relies on luck and diplomacy.

I don't think you'll ever understand what does being "good" at diplo games means, because you are competitive players.

fyi i've won more diplos than you've even played(and your % winrate in diplos is below average)

its not like competitive players don't understand them,i'd rather say its the other way around
but the reason they don't play them is cause most of the community dosen't know how to play them,and it bugs their minds as they have a hard time explaining others what to and what not to do

we can make better diplo games with competitive players playing and yes they think on much larger scale than others
its just the BS that happnens during the games that they can't handle and the stupid rules players keep in their games which leads them to never play those games again
keep the roleplay aside from diplos-no one trusts anyone when they see an opportuniity to win

Edited 3/21/2015 12:18:54

^^ +1

they require (and this is serious) the ability to be ruthless to allies and to make alliances perfectly, like a spider balanced on a web at the top of a 50m tree, where a misstep can prove fatal.

In other words they require ruthlessness not seen in team games, and abilities to manipulate. Oh and preferably the Russia slot.

I challenge those that call themselves "competitive players" to join us "diplomacy players" in a classic diplomacy on the 19th Century Europe map. 0 neutrals. 1 starting territory. We'll see who'd win.

you're talking about the world nations 2050 custom scenerio template i guess
that's a roleplay game where most of the times only Russia USA or China win
thats one of the games which when i see i'm like:
Oh looks nice map,lets check the slots.Russia-taken,China-taken,Usa-taken,India-taken...ok i'm leaving,let the noobs fill rest of the open seats
that's not the kind of template where everyone have equal opportunity
diplos like Game of Thrones Westros,Big World and some others are much more interesting since we see some real action

It means they get paid.

@Falcon Colonal

0 neutrals against me?CHALLENGE ACCEPTED

i don't have many friends who're both competitive and like diplos
(yes they're good at diplos but they just don't like to play them)

Edit:also it'll be a team game straightaway if we go by your rules and i don't think you'll like that

Edited 3/21/2015 13:35:48

I dont think there is any real pro diplomacy players out. The farthest the strategy goes is your skill with words and how far ahead you can set things in your favor. But there can be strategy nonetheless, maybe not as much as in competitive games but its still there.

Not all diplomacy games can be bad it just depends on who else is in the game. The reason diplomacy games can go to hell is because people mostly play them for the points now days. When people see they dont have a chance to win they give up. This in turn ruins any decency left in the style.

Ry ill help you out if needed. I don't really care about proving a point, just sounds fun.

Edited 3/21/2015 19:46:31

a template where about seven people have a decent chance of winning (oh and the white walkers):

(this might be an early version) https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=578414

A skilled diplomacy player is not concerned only with his income and 1v1 abilites, but his ability to Roleplay, influence other players with his words, and orchestrate deals. It's more about talking then winning.