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Pro's in diplo games: 3/21/2015 10:45:52


Master Ryiro 
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i'm curious what exactly does one mean when they say they're ^pros at diplomacy^
(i get it you like diplo games i have nothing against it)
take this clan for example :-
https://www.warlight.net/Clans/?ID=94
some say they're pro even if they don't win in ffas or diplos more than average player

how do you classify a pro in diplo games?and more importantly:WHY?!
IMO when someone says they're not good at 1 vs 1 but they're good at diplo games that dosen't even make sense
Pro's in diplo games: 3/21/2015 10:56:45

roque_nacho
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diplo games are stupid who cares
Pro's in diplo games: 3/21/2015 11:05:25


♕DominatusⓉⒸ
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It's a marketing ploy. Obviously they are not professionals, but to someone reading/looking to join a clan, it may sound appealing. Unless you're getting paid for it, your not practicing a profession. Thus they are not professionals.
Pro's in diplo games: 3/21/2015 11:09:53


Halfdan Whiteshirt
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I don't think you'll ever understand what does being "good" at diplo games means, because you are competitive players.

I'll explain what factors influence a diplo game. Let's take one where everyone has an equal income. So:

-luck (who gets booted/surrenders)
-if you get involved in a war with someone who has an equal income but minor 1v1 skills compared to yours, you might win. However, you'll win if no one else messes in.
-luck again, or else a good view on the situation (picking the right side in a war)

The problem with diplos is that you should care more what other players will do... since they can be your allies or they can declare war on you, or even both.
Pro's in diplo games: 3/21/2015 11:14:54


master of desaster 
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so having a lot of luck makes a good diplo Player. got it.
Pro's in diplo games: 3/21/2015 11:25:05


Min34 
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I would say that they RP better than others and know how to pick their enemies and friends better than the adverage players. Their won`t be much else.
Pro's in diplo games: 3/21/2015 11:26:23


[WL] Colonel Harthacanute
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I think there are two ways of winning diplos. My way is to expand quickly and slowly destroy your neighbours one-by-one until you're the only one left.
Pro's in diplo games: 3/21/2015 11:33:06


Ska2D2 
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No. How people percieve you is as important as skill in diplo. So tactical ability in a war is as important as the way you are seen by others. You use words and actions to cause this to work in your favour. Also choosing when and who to side with in a war.

Good warlight players who are unable to communicate skillfully will still lose.

Tl; dr diplo games are like the board game diplomacy fused with traditional warlight.
Pro's in diplo games: 3/21/2015 12:00:36


Mudderducker 
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No such thing as pros. If you play them, you may win some but you also lose the same amount and probably more. The game relies on luck and to certain extent diplomacy skills (but even is not too hard to learn). You could say strategy is the only skill that can be seen as pro worthy. But this also relies on luck and diplomacy.
Pro's in diplo games: 3/21/2015 12:17:57


Master Ryiro 
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I don't think you'll ever understand what does being "good" at diplo games means, because you are competitive players.

fyi i've won more diplos than you've even played(and your % winrate in diplos is below average)

its not like competitive players don't understand them,i'd rather say its the other way around
but the reason they don't play them is cause most of the community dosen't know how to play them,and it bugs their minds as they have a hard time explaining others what to and what not to do

we can make better diplo games with competitive players playing and yes they think on much larger scale than others
its just the BS that happnens during the games that they can't handle and the stupid rules players keep in their games which leads them to never play those games again
keep the roleplay aside from diplos-no one trusts anyone when they see an opportuniity to win

Edited 3/21/2015 12:18:54
Pro's in diplo games: 3/21/2015 12:27:53


Ska2D2 
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^^ +1
Pro's in diplo games: 3/21/2015 12:36:29


Thomas 633
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they require (and this is serious) the ability to be ruthless to allies and to make alliances perfectly, like a spider balanced on a web at the top of a 50m tree, where a misstep can prove fatal.

In other words they require ruthlessness not seen in team games, and abilities to manipulate. Oh and preferably the Russia slot.
Pro's in diplo games: 3/21/2015 13:03:56


[WL] Colonel Harthacanute
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I challenge those that call themselves "competitive players" to join us "diplomacy players" in a classic diplomacy on the 19th Century Europe map. 0 neutrals. 1 starting territory. We'll see who'd win.
Pro's in diplo games: 3/21/2015 13:04:27


Master Ryiro 
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you're talking about the world nations 2050 custom scenerio template i guess
that's a roleplay game where most of the times only Russia USA or China win
thats one of the games which when i see i'm like:
Oh looks nice map,lets check the slots.Russia-taken,China-taken,Usa-taken,India-taken...ok i'm leaving,let the noobs fill rest of the open seats
that's not the kind of template where everyone have equal opportunity
diplos like Game of Thrones Westros,Big World and some others are much more interesting since we see some real action
Pro's in diplo games: 3/21/2015 13:11:11


Ace Windu 
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It means they get paid.
Pro's in diplo games: 3/21/2015 13:12:36


Master Ryiro 
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@Falcon Colonal

0 neutrals against me?CHALLENGE ACCEPTED

i don't have many friends who're both competitive and like diplos
(yes they're good at diplos but they just don't like to play them)

Edit:also it'll be a team game straightaway if we go by your rules and i don't think you'll like that

Edited 3/21/2015 13:35:48
Pro's in diplo games: 3/21/2015 17:30:11


Kur
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I dont think there is any real pro diplomacy players out. The farthest the strategy goes is your skill with words and how far ahead you can set things in your favor. But there can be strategy nonetheless, maybe not as much as in competitive games but its still there.

Not all diplomacy games can be bad it just depends on who else is in the game. The reason diplomacy games can go to hell is because people mostly play them for the points now days. When people see they dont have a chance to win they give up. This in turn ruins any decency left in the style.
Pro's in diplo games: 3/21/2015 19:41:47


Jefferspin 
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Ry ill help you out if needed. I don't really care about proving a point, just sounds fun.

Edited 3/21/2015 19:46:31
Pro's in diplo games: 3/22/2015 00:54:27


Thomas 633
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a template where about seven people have a decent chance of winning (oh and the white walkers):

(this might be an early version) https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=578414
Pro's in diplo games: 3/22/2015 17:49:40


OnlyThePie
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A skilled diplomacy player is not concerned only with his income and 1v1 abilites, but his ability to Roleplay, influence other players with his words, and orchestrate deals. It's more about talking then winning.
Pro's in diplo games: 3/22/2015 18:06:10


Kenny • apex 
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@Ryiro: When I was in {rp} and we played serious diplos there's a couple components that makes a 'pro' player of that gametype. These aren't really in any order:

1. Ability to roleplay. This makes the game more enjoyable if everyone is acting out their part. Some don't even look to win, just to make it interesting and funny. Regardless, the winners generally roleplayed very well.

2. Politics. Knowing who to ally, who to war, who to betray, all while seeming the least threatening. I'm pretty bad at the last part.

3. Warlight/tactical ability. This matters more when up against an opponent who's on equal grounds, but it's pretty self-explanatory. The better you are at outplaying people, the larger income difference you can overcome in an opponent.

{rp} made most of the templates that are played in open games today, and I'd have to say none of the open games reflect on how the template is actually played between good players. I used to be very frustrated about all of this, people claiming to be great at a template they don't even understand. It's even more frustrating when you have a clan that claims to play it well, and then when you sit down and try to play the template with their members, they're just immature children doing things blindly.

I guess if rigged large FFAs that depend highly on luck suit your fancy, open game diplomacy is right up your alley.
Pro's in diplo games: 3/22/2015 19:42:59


Master Ryiro 
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1.i hate games with luck
2.your points 1,2,3 are good.i'd like to play with rp on the original template with good players
3.sometimes i encounter rp players who've made the maps and templates but they can't play it as good as us.
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=8271255
i love playing on RoR and dosen't matter if incaman made it i'm better at RoR than him :D
Pro's in diplo games: 3/22/2015 20:05:50


Genghis 
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Diplomacy isn't about winning per se. It's about having fun.

It helps when the rules aren't always the same, or the map and factions are carved out very uniquely.

I.e. just by splitting an overused map like 2014 world nations in an innovative manner, you create a completely different game that offers new and perhaps improved strategy.
Pro's in diplo games: 3/22/2015 20:08:23


[WOLF] Arrogance
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Diplomacy isn't about winning per se. It's about having fun.

I think that's what the Russian USSR guy tried to say.

And I completely agree. Diplos aren't for winning but for having fun playing.
Pro's in diplo games: 3/22/2015 23:21:24


shyb
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some people like some things, some people like others.

i used to play a lot of diplos but the bickering was just too much, so now i really only play them with my clan (still bickering). i never try to win like you would a regular ffa. it's not fun to me to play like that. i like to help others out of a gangbang, or against a PE, start crazy world wars, or just challenge someone with a bigger income. then when the game seems done (everyone left is being nice to each other) we usually vote to end.

no it doesn't take much skill (maybe a little social skill), but it's fun for some people. that's all. no need to try to make it second class. just cause you don't like it doesn't mean it's a bad thing.

and if a diplo player gets uppity and thinks they are smarter than you go ahead and teach them a lesson in a 1v1 game (maybe they'll get into it and play more strategic games).
Pro's in diplo games: 3/22/2015 23:28:02


Thomas 633
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I find 1v1...
(yawns loudly)
although I do wish to be better at it
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