@TChosen1

What is the point of freedom when now country is descended into chaos and extremists and violence like ISIS rolling ramped in the country. Libya is now considered a failed state after Gaddafi was overthrown. Don't buy in to what some of the brainless idiots have to say. Gadaffi was an amazing man, he offered free education, free heath care, free everything to allow for his country to flourish. He was about the change their currency to the Gold Deena as their country is rife with gold. If this happened, that would have meant that 200,000 people dying of starvation in 3rd world countries would never happen again, however, once this happens a president who tries to help the people ends up being killed by the "economic hitman". This is when America, nato etc go out to kill them by what they portray to be an accident.
You know why they do this? It's because to keep the billionares billionares, the 1%, the elites, then you have to have the poor. America relies on 3rd world countries to have billionares & mass corperations. Gaddafi's own people even said that he was the KING OF AFRICA.




Libya had the highest standard of living then any country in Africa



Recommended watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COdKmHkPoOo

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93.40. Immediately release all individuals detained without a legal basis,
including those that have completed their terms and those acquainted by courts

I am not derailing the topic, i thought you were talking about Guantanamo Bay, because that is exactly a bunch of individuals detained without a legal basis. My bad.

Nobody claimed Lybia to be a scandinavian style paramount of virtue democracy. It was all to be set in comaprison.

Here is another good example:

The Committee reiterates its recommendation that the
State party should take effective measures to prevent acts of torture, not only in its
sovereign territory, but also “in any territory under its jurisdiction”. In that respect,
the Committee draws attention to its general comment No. 2 (2007), in which it
recognizes that ‘any territory’ includes “all areas where the State party exercises,
directly or indirectly, in whole or in part, de jure or de facto effective control, in
accordance with international law

The State party should ensure that all cases of unlawful killing, torture or other illtreatment,
unlawful detention or enforced disappearance are effectively,
independently and impartially investigated, that perpetrators, including, in particular,
persons in positions of command, are prosecuted and sanctioned, and that victims are
provided with effective remedies. The responsibility of those who provided legal
pretexts for manifestly illegal behavior should also be established.

The State party should continue and step up its efforts to robustly address racial
disparities in the criminal justice system, including by amending regulations and
policies leading to racially disparate impact at the federal, state and local levels. The
State party should ensure the retroactive application of the Fair Sentencing Act and
reform mandatory minimum sentencing statutes.

The State party should continue and step up measures to effectively combat and
eliminate racial profiling by federal, state and local law enforcement officials

The Committee is concerned about the still high number of fatal shootings by certain
police forces, ..., and reports of excessive use of force by
certain law enforcement officers, ...

The State party should enact legislation to explicitly prohibit torture, including mental
torture, wherever committed, and ensure that the law provides for penalties
commensurate with the gravity of such acts, whether committed by public officials or
other persons acting on behalf of the State, or by private persons. The State party
should ensure the availability of compensation to victims of torture

The State party should ensure that non-consensual use of psychiatric medication,
electroshock and other restrictive and coercive practices in mental health services is
generally prohibited. Non-consensual psychiatric treatment may only be applied, if at
all, in exceptional cases as a measure of last resort where absolutely necessary for the
benefit of the person concerned, provided that he or she is unable to give consent, and
for the shortest possible time without any long-term impact and under independent
review. The State party should promote psychiatric care aimed at preserving the
dignity of patients, both adults and minors.

The State party should expedite the transfer of detainees designated for transfer,
including to Yemen, as well as the process of periodic review for ...
detainees and ensure either their trial or their immediate release and the closure of
the ... facility. It should end the system of administrative detention
without charge or trial and ensure that any criminal cases against detainees held in
... and in military facilities in ... are dealt with through the
criminal justice system rather than military commissions, and that those detainees are
afforded the fair trial guarantees enshrined in article 14 of the Covenant.

(CAT/C/USA/CO/2, para. 15)


I know its hard for you to rid yourself of your lifelong media build bias. But its time you start looking at things the way they are, not the way you want them to be.

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myhand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t97R3jxbl6E

Shouldnt you be playing with model racing cars?
No matter how hard you try to look smart Thomas, you always look silly.

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oh look, you finally responded with exactly the same thing that I refuted brilliantly several days ago. Although the US does suck, SHUT UP ABOUT IT

Yeah I get it, you desperately sought my attention. You finally got a response, you can now continue to grow up.

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It's almost amusing then whenever I try to bring up issues with Gaddafi's reign, you restate the same points louder and louder and louder. Please refer to my previous post Ottoman for my response of Gaddafi as a ruler, because it's clear that you haven't actually read it.

and Gaddafi's people referring to him as the "King of Africa"? Welp they must be unbiased, it's not like there's any cases of disappearing dissenters or torture OH WAIT!

but wait, there's more to that!

you claimed earlier that american are sheeple (Baaa!) because their news is controlled by 6 major corporations. Well I got news for you hot off the presses (had to use that news-related phrase). In Libya, the entire media is controlled by ONE entity. Know what it's called? THE STATE. And then you have the GALL to claim that the people of Libya aren't sheeple (Baaa!) by using them as a character reference.

And also, Gaddafi's been in power for over FOURTY years and just now he's being hit by the "economic hitman"? For a country that needs "complete control over 3rd world nations for it's billionaires" they certainly took a loooong time to respond. That's a terrible response rate. Why are you so scared of a country that takes 40+ years to act? America = Scarily Incompetent

Heck not just act. Organize tens of thousands of people to protest, organize, and rebel, in large numbers of differing factions, all without being noticed by Russia, China, or any major power that would benefit from exposing this. And you know, start this a MAXIMUM of 10 years ago against someone who's been in power for 40+ years. America = Scarily Competent or America = Accomplisher of the Impossible

Seeing a contradiction here?

Furthermore, saying "brainless idiots" doesn't do anything but make their point more valid. You can't defeat them, so you resort to name calling, eh?

Jeez I'm sure that that video presents ALL the facts and doesn't cherry-pick the ones that fits their world view. I mean it's not like they're trying to push their viewpoint, right? They're completely neutral and will leave the final desicion up to you. (/sarcasm)


@ Myhand:

yes it's one thing to say that perpertrators of those acts should be punished, it's another thing together to have those acted on. Has there been any record of that?

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TChosen1

Wow talking about being a brainwashed puppet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr7ePrCAqzo

Ps: That video doens't presents ALL the facts but is uses 99% more facts then your media uses. Sorry that we use a moronic thing called thinking.

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Oh noes, he's brought out the insults! All my arguments are nothing in the face of name calling. I bow to your superiorness.

100th post

@Thchosen1

I know you have a hard time dealing with a new truth, but please stop these strawman fallacies, because its tiring. Try to carfully read and disprove my arguments if you are so eager, but stop putting words in my mouth and make connections I didn't make.


I didn't talk about sheeple, because the USA is under tight media control of a few cooporations serving only the interests of the plutocracy.
I consider the majority of US people sheeple, because they refuse to think for themselves. They let themselves lure in a war with the same country twice, based on lies.
And instead of admitting the tragic mistake, that cost hundreds of thousands iraqis (and iranians before that) their lives, contanimated Iraq with radioactive waste by DU - ammunition that lets cancer rates skyrocket, in iraq civil society and among US veterans alike, and condemning the US actions as legally and morally wrong, the same people stand here defending the US interventions as rightous. Sorry that I can't give their mental capabilities nor their moralities any credit.

I am honestly willing to properly inform you and clear up misconceptions of historical and current events, but you have to check my arguments and ressources and try to disprove them, not resort to tricks and deception in trying to question the validy of my claims by altering the context or connecting them wrongfully.
If you are so eager to keep on playing the advocatus diaboli, you may do so, but try at least to refute my arguments and facts, don't reinvent what i supposedly said.


And please elaborate this:

yes it's one thing to say that perpertrators of those acts should be punished, it's another thing together to have those acted on. Has there been any record of that?

because I dont understand what exactly you mean.


P.S.: Had you read carefully what i wrote in my former posts, you would have an idea of why the West "took 40 years to act" ...

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I know you have a hard time dealing with a new truth

You think this will convince him more?

It's official

Ok, I've been off the forums for a little bit, so I'm going to respond to a few things.

@myhand (post 22): I was asking what your solution was to all of these problems with America you keep bringing up. All of your language is focused solely on pointing out problems. Just pointing out problems is useless without working towards solutions. At least suggest 1 solution to 1 problem you've pointed out.

^^I didn't carefully read every single thing everyone wrote since I said that, so you may have suggested a way to fix some things. If so, good job! Let's work on fixing them.


@lawlz (post 75): That man is wearing a St Louis Cardinals shirt, I think it's much more likely he's from my hometown, St. Louis, MO. A place where we do not inbreed and are not *ahem* in the south.

@ottoman (post 101): Lol, that picture is hilarious!

LAWLZ

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Well, yeah...in all countries, you have speech freedom to bash other countries.

If that's all you see, then you only help prove what myhand has been saying all this time.

And Ottoman.

And myself, for that matter.

I know USA has bad policies and all that shit what ever the fuck you say is right what ever I say is wrong blah blah

(Also could the USSR have really won without American equipment?)