i think myhand is Vladimir Putin XD

In total, the US deliveries through Lend-Lease amounted to $11 billion in materials: over 400,000 jeeps and trucks; 12,000 armored vehicles (including 7,000 tanks, about 1,386[25] of which were M3 Lees and 4,102 M4 Shermans);[26] 11,400 aircraft (4,719 of which were Bell P-39 Airacobras)[27] and 1.75 million tons of food.[28]

Roughly 17.5 million tons of military equipment, vehicles, industrial supplies, and food were shipped from the Western Hemisphere to the USSR, 94% coming from the US. For comparison, a total of 22 million tons landed in Europe to supply American forces from January 1942 to May 1945. It has been estimated that American deliveries to the USSR through the Persian Corridor alone were sufficient, by US Army standards, to maintain sixty combat divisions in the line.[29][30]

The United States gave to the Soviet Union from October 1, 1941 to May 31, 1945 the following: 427,284 trucks, 13,303 combat vehicles, 35,170 motorcycles, 2,328 ordnance service vehicles, 2,670,371 tons of petroleum products (gasoline and oil), 4,478,116 tons of foodstuffs (canned meats, sugar, flour, salt, etc.), 1,900 steam locomotives, 66 Diesel locomotives, 9,920 flat cars, 1,000 dump cars, 120 tank cars, and 35 heavy machinery cars. One item typical of many was a tire plant that was lifted bodily from the Ford Company's River Rouge Plant and transferred to the USSR. The 1947 money value of the supplies and services amounted to about eleven billion dollars.[31]

The US really does have a history of supplying future enemies

American tax laws are crap, Obamacare is just going to fuck us up more, we invade countries for no fucking reason all the time, we have the shittiest congress in history , we say we have free speech but that's a damn lie, Bush was awful , Obama is awful , I'm awful , We have fucking faux-feminists that are advocating for sterilization , we can't figure out how to stop a war in a country next to us how would we be able to stop a war in a country on the other side of the planet, we have the most advanced technology but it's in the hands of us so is that a good thing? We have created several puppet governments in the 20th and 19th centuries , we basically gave nuclear technology to the USSR. I want to put a bullet in my head now.

You already have a bullet in your head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtgDkdTAyXs

No escape from the mass mind rape
Play it again jack and then rewind the tape
And then play it again and again and again
Until ya mind is locked in
Believin' all the lies that they're tellin' ya
Buyin' all the products that they're sellin' ya
They say jump and ya say how high
Ya brain-dead
Ya gotta fuckin' bullet in ya head

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we basically gave nuclear technology to the USSR.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E7fzUGR8ZH4

^relevant song

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gthZSjdqjjk

^not quite relevant

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That man is wearing a St Louis Cardinals shirt, I think it's much more likely he's from my hometown, St. Louis, MO.

HA, Missouri is full of fucking morons. It only like 1 step up from Mississippi

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If we approach this as a conversation rather than an argument, this thread doesn't have to be polarizing. Is America a perfect country? Probably not. Is it a completely run by special interests? Probably not. The answer lies somewhere in between.

Any body should want to be open minded and make choices based on having as much knowledge as possible. Myhand is pointing out that there are elements in America that people may not be aware of because it is under represented (or unrepresented) in the media. Chomsky makes excellent points in manufacturing consent about how the establishment (he focuses on America - but his points translate to all countries) influences the majority of what the media actually report. So getting information from other areas is essential to having a balanced view of the state.

Chomsky by the way is American, so to is Howard Zinn A People's History of the United States both would likely never be able to get published in countries like China or North Korea. But in America they can be. America allows Dylan and it allows Joseph Heller Catch 22 A novel that energised the anti-war movement in the States a protest that showed the world that people can stop unpopular wars if they organise against them.

So America has in the past, does today and will again give ordinary people voices that other countries do not and will not. That is an amazing thing that should be celebrated and cherished. But you need to listen to them to hear them. In the same way if you only see one side of a coin you can only see that one facet of it.

Myhand isn't saying Americans make up an horrific dictatorship that is trying to destroy/take over the world. He is saying that in America there are people who gain a lot by pursuing their influence in the worlds only super-power to better themselves at the expense of their fellow citizens and the others around the world.

But we can equally talk about Americans who are doing good and great things for the rest of the world in many areas.

Edited 3/21/2015 04:20:06

Murica.....Lawlz

If we approach this as a conversation rather than an argument, this thread doesn't have to be polarizing. Is America a perfect country? Probably not. Is it a completely run by special interests? Probably not. The answer lies somewhere in between.

Exactly...

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Ottoman, Myhand, you guys seem to bring this back to the US whenever you can (I'm not even American :P). Seriously, it's like you have some sick, subconcious desire to be noticed by the US. You guys have some weird America fetish or something?

Myhand, Ottoman: "Oh! America, treat me like I'm your second Iraq. Go deep in me and take years to come out!"

Sounds like a party , I'm in .

Frankly, I think they have a right to be outspoken. So many hundreds of millions of people have had their economic and political rights trampled on and destroyed in the name of democracy and freedom.

If any other country even attempted to do to the US, what they did to several South America, Africa and Middle Eastern countries (i.e. funded terrorists to overthrow popularly elected governments and install military dictators), it would have resulted in unilateral total war.

You can't honestly expect the world to shrug it off and go "oh, well" when the US won't openly apologize, pay any sort of compensation. To add insult to injury they leave the countries worse off than they started and declare them "failed states".

It's the equivalent of your neighbor breaking into your home, stealing your valuables, setting everything else on fire and having all charges against him dropped.

What would you do in such a situation? Shrug it off?

Taisho, the problem isn't with people criticizing the U.S. The problem is people like myhand exaggerating the problems beyond proportion and trying to make the U.S out to be the next Nazi Germany when that's not the case.

Does America have problems? YES, we get that. There's a lot of things that need to be fixed. Is America the "worst country" and "greatest threat to humanity"? No. Also, as others have said myhand and ottoman tend to do nothing but point out problems. Never do they suggest solutions or point out anything positive. It's like listening to anti-U.S propaganda generated by North Korea to inspire their citizens to hate America with a passion.

HA, Missouri is full of fucking morons. It only like 1 step up from Mississippi

I'm pretty sure I've spotted you complaining about stereotypes more than once, don't be a hypocrite. Perhaps Missouri looks like hell to some people on the far-left but from an at-least moderate perspective it's not THAT bad of a place.