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It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 03:45:00


myhandisonfire 
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Well, it wasnt really a surpise, the more informed already knew that for long, but nethertheless Princeton University decided to examine it closely and scientifically. The result should come as a shock to everyone still waving that jingoistic flag of Murican democracy.

Here is a link to the original study:

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=9354310

In the study, “Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups and Average Citizens,” researchers compared 1,800 different U.S. policies that were put in place by politicians between 1981 and 2002 to the type of policies preferred by the average and wealthy American, or special interest groups.

Researchers then concluded that U.S. policies are formed more by special interest groups than by politicians properly representing the will of the general people, including the lower-income class.





This is what they found:

Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organised groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on US government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.


So they say:

When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites and/or with organised interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the US political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favour policy change, they generally do not get it.


They conclude:

Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association and a widespread (if still contested) franchise. But we believe that if policymaking is dominated by powerful business organisations and a small number of affluent Americans, then America's claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened.
It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 03:46:37


Bane 
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i saw that. kinda hard to fix.
It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 04:02:43


Жұқтыру
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Wait until skourby comes...
It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 04:11:16


[₩Ů£F] £Ų€ÏĐ ĎŔĒÅMĘŘ
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Skoirby lingers.
It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 04:16:18


Жұқтыру
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Sometimes, he doesn't even comment at all...because there's nothing that he can say (or think of, at least) that redeems any honour bit.

Why do you even keep skouby in the Wolves? People have been kicked from high-rate clans like After_Dark for less.

Edited 3/18/2015 04:16:55
It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 04:25:26


Major General Smedley Butler
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Obama is related to both Clinton and Bush , Monarchy is the correct term sir I bid you good day ! *puts on top hat and coat and leaves*
It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 04:46:47


Fugg ebin tbh xDD
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>high rate
>after dark
pick one
It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 04:48:08


[₩Ů£F] £Ų€ÏĐ ĎŔĒÅMĘŘ
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We keep him cause he entertains us.
It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 07:20:01


Genghis 
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Everybody knows America is an Oligarchy...
Thing is : Surprise, surprise, nobody cares.

Not because they don't want to care. Because Ironically, we're pretty oppressed.

Freedom of speech is a farce in the nation : Federal government illegalized many places so that 1st Amendment Rights can't be expressed there.

There's no way to change it though. All the average intelligent person like myhandisonfire can do is watch Food Inc., Idiocracy and Schindler's List and cry because we're all so dumb.

It's okay myhandisonfire, MMB is back. He will enlighten you once more.
It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 09:21:28


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America needs another Teddy Roosevelt.

Ironically, the government did such a good job of scaring the American's when it comes to socialism and communism (they're not the same, though most American's can't tell you the difference), that they, in their pursuit of securing their freedoms, sold it for an established oligarchy and elected monarchy.

Brilliant, isn't it?

Freedom is almost directly proportional to wealth, so if you want to know just how free you are, figure out your net economic value.
It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 11:08:45


OttomanEmpire
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It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 11:18:24


Eklipse
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Again, myhand takes a problem prevalent in many countries and tries to spin the issue to make it look unique to the U.S. You are a living anti-U.S propaganda machine, congratulations.

Also, here's an image that represents myhand and his anti-U.S threads..

It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 12:13:38


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we are the 99%

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It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 13:01:40


OttomanEmpire
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How does it feel to be a puppet Eklipse {TJC}?

We're the Puppet People. O' put it on our TV, it's true, put it on our TV, it's true. Hey hey, guide us, you fuckin' scum hey, we're the puppet people.



Edited 3/18/2015 13:25:44
It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 13:37:18


Eklipse
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Yes,yes,yes, I know. Not boarding the American hate bandwagon makes me a puppet,brainwashed fool,sheep,etc. I've heard it all before.

Or perhaps it's those that blindly hate a single country rather than dealing with a world-wide problem that are the true puppets.
It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 14:24:48


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Doesn't surprise me at all. Beyond the issue of the masses not getting their way, there is the issue that people don't even vote their own best interests to start with. Take my dad. He votes for a particular party even though if I were to poll him on certain issues, %90 of the time the party he votes for does the opposite of that. So you have a country that is mostly ignorant to what is going on, and a bunch of leaders that know it and take advantage of that.
It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 15:24:16


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"The result should come as a shock to everyone still waving that jingoistic flag of Murican democracy."

These people don't even know what the word oligarchy means. They just vote whomever supports their Jesus, their guns and all the rest. Don't flatter them by saying they have the mental capacity to understand the situation for what it really is.
It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 15:31:17


Major General Smedley Butler
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Ill supert anyune who superts my pershmerga Kurds - Red neck 2015
It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 15:40:34


ps 
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it's not exclusive to the USA. plenty of supposedly democracatic governments in europe are run by corrupt politicians serving their private interests.

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It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 16:51:20


Lawlz
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They just vote whomever supports their Jesus, their guns and all the rest.
Wow, way to stereotype.
It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 17:23:56


Genghis 
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^ It's true.

>Age 20
>Walk down neighborhood.
>Like a thug.
>Overhear redneck. Says " Obama is Muslimac who wants us to be defenseless. "
>Lols because defense spending.
>Hides because i don't want to be shot for being only smart person in hood.
>It's not ogre. It's never ogre.
It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 17:32:41


Eklipse
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These people don't even know what the word oligarchy means. They just vote whomever supports their Jesus, their guns and all the rest. Don't flatter them by saying they have the mental capacity to understand the situation for what it really is.

Oligarchy is a small group of people running a country (In a nutshell). The fact that you resort to demonizing people you don't agree with (Implying that Christians and anyone who supports the 2nd Amendment can't be politically informed) shows that you are the one lacking proper mental capacity.
It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 19:16:22


OttomanEmpire
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Eklipse {TJC}

Because funny enough the American government is the biggest enemy to peace in the world right now. these countries in the Middle East like Iraq, Libya and Aghanistan and terrorist groups in those countries were armed by America and then America blows the shit of these countries and the invade it like Iraq in 2003 with the so called weapons of mass destruction, America is like bully in the globe. Since America was founded in 1776 it has been at war 214 years out of the 239 years it existed.
But you believe you government and were just haters because they pound bullshit into your head from the time you were a child that's what they do, they keep putting it in the head of kids they pound it in because they know kids are too young to be able to mount a sophisticated argument against those bullshit ideas.
So kids are going to believe everything a grown up tells them so you never learn to questioning things and just becoming willfully ignorant of the big red white and blue dick being jammed up your ass all day.
America solves problems by declaring war on it, war on drugs, war on terror, war on poverty but did you ever notice that there is no war on Homelessness, you know why because there's no money in that's problem its against there interest.
But yeah we are the puppets and we should not criticize America but do as they tell us what to do because otherwise your just a blinded hater, because I use a moronic thing called thinking.

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It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 19:43:10


Eklipse
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OttomanEmpire, way to miss my point by a mile. I'm well aware America has it's problems, and lord knows there'd be a lot of changes if I was in charge. However, I'm sick and tired of people blinding hating the U.S and blaming it for all the world's problems. I'm even more tired of the hypocrites who seem to act like every other country is perfect and that America is some evil empire.

America is not all bad, but if anyone ever tries to defend it on ANYTHING people like you come around and accuse them of just being brainwashed puppets. Blindly hating a country is just as ignorant as blindly loving it, keep that mind.

Also, stop with the double standard. You seem to think it's okay for you to accuse me of being a puppet but if I do that to you than you go off on a tirade about it.

Edited 3/18/2015 19:44:33
It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 20:11:54


myhandisonfire 
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However, I'm sick and tired of people blinding hating the U.S and blaming it for all the world's problems. I'm even more tired of the hypocrites who seem to act like every other country is perfect and that America is some evil empire.


Nobody is blindly hating on the USA, most of us have a very sophisticated concept on what we criticize in the USA. Nor do most of us justify the wrong doings of other nations on the world. Your perception is just plain wrong.
You are like a guy who is accusing another guy who happens to have a brain tumor, pneumonia and arthritis, that all he is complaining about is his brain tumor.

I'm even more tired of the hypocrites who seem to act like every other country is perfect


If you can find hypocrisy in anything I am saying, please show me. Actually the hypocrisy is a US American speciality and its not a minor part of what we all criticize.

and that America is some evil empire.


The sooner you come to understand that exactly that is true the better.

America is not all bad, but if anyone ever tries to defend it on ANYTHING people like you come around and accuse them of just being brainwashed puppets. Blindly hating a country is just as ignorant as blindly loving it, keep that mind.


Of course America is not all bad.
There are millions of people with good intentions. But these people get indoctrinated, disinformed, victimized and criminalized by their own governments, the media and the plutocracy controlling it.

There are tons of eceptional smart people, fully aware of what the USA stands for. But they get ridiculed, smeared, denied plublicity and harrassed by the US System.

When will you understand that the people of the United States are the victim of their own system?
So again, most of us are not blindly hating on the USA, stop repeating it as if it were some kind of mantra.

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It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 20:18:50


Genghis 
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Myhand, what exactly do you want america and other blind nations' peoples to do. ..

An armed revolution seems bloody. High death toll.

Everybody just up and leaving the system and becoming hippy farms or devolving into feudalism isn't very attractive.

The system works. Your morality prevents it from it appearing functional to you.
It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 20:26:45


myhandisonfire 
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I never denied that it works. It's obvious that it works very well. You are manipulated for so long, that you lost the belief that a better world is even possible. It's a job well done, you don't see me denying that.

Americans like you seem to be satisfied to work more each day, to earn less, have to pay more for basic needs each day to have a worse health care. To expend more funds to the police, just to feel less secure.
You seem to be perfectly comfortable to give away all your rights one by one, just to be proud on the rich peoples army marching into foreign countries.
As long as you have the circensis and the panem, you will stay quiet.

But you can't expect the rest of the world to just sit idly by and accept your idioticy Genghis without resistance.

Edited 3/18/2015 20:27:32
It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 20:45:10


Genghis 
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My nation is founded on a declaration of war, a compromise with a broken way to govern and the belief that law can be changed to account for the situation.

It was idiotic to start with, so congratulations for whining about it on an Internet Forum 300 years after the fact.

At this point, I'm tired of trying to argue. You are trying to move an immovable object. Let things be the way they are : if you can't see the brighter side of things, so be it. If you continue a pessimistic approach to how America and nations like it suck,be my guest. Just not on the warlight Forum, where everybody has had enough.

EDIT : I'm not sure how or if anyone has the effort to continue to conduct this pointless discussion.

Edited 3/18/2015 20:47:01
It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 21:30:44


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Note that this is coming from an American-
I completely agree with you- the US government has A LOT of issues.
A LOT of them.
But whining about them on the Warlight forums is no way to go about convincing people.
It's official: USA an oligarchy, no democracy: 3/18/2015 21:34:45


myhandisonfire 
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@genghis and epicular: Is not like that I am forcing you to read any of this, let alone spill your thought processes all over this thread. You are tired of reading, move along, I don't feel you will be much missed.
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