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The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/10/2015 17:26:39


myhandisonfire 
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You think the US Carrier fleets are the most sophisticated impenetratable bastions of military power?
Think again, it takes a single modern submarine to take them out, even without a nuclear attack.

After the chinese in 2007, the french showed it again recently:

http://theaviationist.com/2015/03/05/us-aircraft-carrier-sunk-by-subs/

The chinese surprise of 2007:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/10/2015 17:28:56


Eklipse
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myhand, are all the topics you make nothing but anti-U.S propaganda meant to spark flame wars?
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/10/2015 17:30:10


myhandisonfire 
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I am posting the truth, the propaganda is what you get by your media.
Do with it what you want.
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/10/2015 17:33:47


Des {TJC}
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Dude both those articals are over 8 years old. Comeon.
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/10/2015 17:41:43


Vernita Green
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@thehermit first article: Mar 05 2015 , good to know that you live in 2023
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/10/2015 17:52:11


Des {TJC}
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Good to know I'm blind as well:P
Regardless, if you read through the artical it states that it was a scripted exercise. And we all know what happens with scripts. (For those that don't, they get performed)

Edited 3/10/2015 18:01:08
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/10/2015 18:03:52


Norman 
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I believe "everyone" knows that aircraft carriers are pretty vulnerable (at least if you play Civ 5). Where did "the media" even claim the opposite, you are just making a straw man argument. It's a typical german leftist mentality to think that everyone not sharing their views is an arrogant fool blended by some media propaganda.
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/10/2015 18:15:00


myhandisonfire 
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Right, either that, or a stupid fool believing that playing civ5 can give them insights in real life performances of carrier fleets.

If you as a german would have argued instead, that the germans already did it with the U24 against the USS Enterprise in 2001, I could have taken you serious.

Edited 3/10/2015 18:31:43
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/10/2015 18:52:23


Eklipse
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I am posting the truth, the propaganda is what you get by your media.

>Two unrelated articles
>"Truth"

Also, I don't get where the assumption stems from that only U.S media is biased, media all over the world is horribly biased. USA does not have the monopoly on propaganda, and while there is plenty pro-U.S lies to be found it seems anti-U.S lies are far more abundant. With said anti-U.S lies usually being spread by non-Americans who don't know what they're talking about.

TL,DR: All media is slanted, just like your frequent U.S bashing.

Edited 3/10/2015 18:52:48
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/10/2015 18:58:45


Norman 
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I'm not interested in military details and believe I made my point pretty clear. Even with my little knowledge from mass media and computer games (Bf4, Civ5) I know that aircraft carriers (tanks im BF4) are sitting ducks. Also I already read stuff about Chinese countermeasuress to counter sophisticated US military, again im mass media. What I have never read about im mass media however is someone claiming that you can use an aircraft carrier at the front line as a battering ram.

Edited 3/10/2015 18:59:44
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/10/2015 19:19:37


Lawlz
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I'm like 100% sure aircraft carriers are meant to hold aircraft, not decimate fleets.
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/10/2015 19:19:55

Blaze
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Is everyone on this post forgetting that each carrier group has multiple attack subs and numerous anti-submarine aircraft and surface ships as part of its compliment? The hunters are also the hunted.

Edited 3/10/2015 19:21:44
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/10/2015 19:32:27


Erwin Rommel, Generalfeldmarschall 
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Blaze said it exactly. Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) has made great advances as have submarine technology, but you are forgetting something myhandisonfire. Carriers have multiple escorts and they do not engage fleets. They use Carrier Air Groups to damage them from hundreds of KMs away.

A pack of subs will not encounter a carrier alone.

Edited 3/10/2015 19:34:48
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/10/2015 20:16:40

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Aircraft carriers head south stopping at the Ascension Islands along the way.
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/10/2015 20:51:23


Жұқтыру
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What lurks in the Sardinian basements and daemons' hearts is far worse than all military powers combined.

IN understandable words, who knows what who's got?

Edited 3/10/2015 20:57:40
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/10/2015 21:43:01


myhandisonfire 
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@Eklipse
>Two unrelated articles
>"Truth"


You can't even see how the articles are related, how can someone expect of you that you can make sense of what is written in them.

@Blaze and Erwin Rommel

Is everyone on this post forgetting that each carrier group has multiple attack subs and numerous anti-submarine aircraft and surface ships as part of its compliment? The hunters are also the hunted.


Carriers have multiple escorts and they do not engage fleets.


Next time read the articles linked before you argue, the submarines in question all bypassed the carrier escorts undetected. Your post just prove my point of how overexaggerated the detection capabilities of modern submarines are.
Besides, carriers of course do engage fleets, thats one of their main mission profiles, the ability to destroy enemy fleets with their bombers hundreds of miles away.
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/10/2015 23:02:43


Eklipse
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You can't even see how the articles are related, how can someone expect of you that you can make sense of what is written in them.

Great debating there. "I believe you are stupid so I'm neither going to address your points or defend my own"
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/10/2015 23:06:03


John Smith
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the ability to destroy enemy fleets with their bombers hundreds of miles away.

Unless I am mistaken, the carriers do not engage enemy fleets. The aircraft that are on them do.
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/10/2015 23:09:32


Lawlz
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That's exactly the point he's been dodging, John.
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/10/2015 23:17:49


Hostile
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CODENAME : ICEMAN....



Modern boats have materials that absorb most wavelengths making it impossible to detect with a sonar.

Wikipedia : Anechoic tiles.
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/10/2015 23:21:13


Thomas 633
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it is realatively easy to cripple a carrier, but very few nations (China) can actually properly destroy an aircraft carrier without the submarine. So what you should do is accompany the aircraft carrier with at least two subs so that you can defend against anything short of a nuclear assault or a DF-21 (non-nuclear version). And carriers can shoot torpedos anyway I believe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-21
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/11/2015 03:12:34


skourby
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Lol what the fuck are you trying to prove with these article? That the U.S. Navy is weak?
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/11/2015 03:24:23


Thomas 633
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no shit

The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/11/2015 13:38:07


skourby
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Muahahahah I'm the king of memes on warlight Thomas
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/11/2015 16:31:16


Min34 
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You think the US Carrier fleets are the most sophisticated impenetratable bastions of military power?
Think again, it takes a single modern submarine to take them out, even without a nuclear attack.


I`m just gonna say it, but a freaking Carrier is a boat. A fucking boat. You can sink those. You can do it with a spoon if you have enough patience. YOu make a hole in it. Once again, its just a big boat.

Also, the fact that submarines are much more important for dominance in waters already became clear in the second world war...

Edited 3/11/2015 16:31:35
The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/11/2015 22:40:31


Thomas 633
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WHAT SPOONS ARE YOU USING MAN?

(you would need a diamond spoon).

Also, aren't they powered by nuclear reactors?
Which:
1. Can easily blow up if you know what to do (even Jeremy Clarkson hitting it with a hammer would probably eventually do it)
2. Have the radioactive acid? Like the stuff that Bond kills Doctor No in in that old bond movie?


Also they are very re-enforced. They can survive planes full of bombs hitting the arse of them intact and still funtional for battle

The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/11/2015 22:42:27


Thomas 633
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good luck with dat skourby

The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/11/2015 22:43:31


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The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/12/2015 04:05:20


Genghis 
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mfw I see a Thomas meme



mfw I see it's by Thomas

The illusion of US Military Power: Carrier fleets: 3/12/2015 04:11:24


Thomas 633
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