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CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/7/2015 17:55:21


Master Ryiro 
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We are pleased to announce a new real-time ladder which features a variety of amazing templates. This has been created using the CLOT framework provided by Fizzer.

Please check it out @ http://real-time-ladder.appspot.com/

If you find any bugs, have any suggestions or just found this cool, please drop comments our way on this thread :)
Master of the Dead and I will respond as soon as possible

FAQ's:-

Q)What is all this about?

A)This is a custom ladder, themed on Fizzer's real-time ladder. It was created due the current limitations of the RT ladder.


Q)Why should i play here?

A)The current RT ladder has a few luck based templates. If paired with a lower rated player, you could end up losing all the points you have gathered over weeks because of just one game. This ladder aims to address that by removing templates such as EA&O :).
We also have some really cool features lined up (coming soon!!)


Q)Can we have more/different templates?

A)You are welcome to suggest new templates. We would like to keep replacing templates frequently so as to keep things interesting.
We will have a round of polls within a week, where the community decides the next round of templates.


Q)Will you be making other ladders or team ladders?

A)We can make one, if we can get a sizeable group interested.


Q)When will the ladder start? Who will I get to play with?

A)It has already. Games are allocated amongst players currently joined on the ladder. The ladder tries to pair similar players together.


Q) How often can I play the same opponent?

A) You can play an opponent once every four hours.


Q) How are players ranked?

A) Players are ranked on this ladder using the TrueSkill Ranking algorithm. This system awards points only at the end of a game and does not make any further updates based on future results. This is similar to the current RT ladder.






CREDITS:-
Firstly, we would like to say that the work Fizzer has done on Warlight, is truly outstanding. The fact that he has provided a framework for others to extend, and create ladders, shows that he cares for what goes on around here :)

This ladder is in no way intended to be a competitor for the current RT ladder. Fizzer has many worries at the moment and must focus on monetizing/marketing so as to ensure Warlight's servers stay up and running. We view our efforts as something to better Warlight and help Fizzer.

Other folks who helped with the beta version of the ladder and testing:
Arkanton
AWESOMEGUY
Darkpie
Doga
Dom365
Forbidden Knowledge
Glamorous❤
Jefferspin
Krzychu
master of desaster
Muten Roshi
The Turtle
TheWarlightMaster
vicnus
Master Atom ◆Elite◆

This would not have been possible without you!! So THANK YOU.


For more detailed info about the ladder,check the link provided above
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/7/2015 18:50:41


Sephiroth 
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COOL!

Does a real time ladder with only Medium Earth 1v1-ladder template already exist?
If it doesn't, I think it should be implemented too

Good job for this one!
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/7/2015 19:04:44


slammy 
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congrats!

btw when i joined it, it gave me two different games with the same player
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/7/2015 19:08:06


Beren • apex 
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Looks great! Let me know if you'd like any help with anything you're doing in the future, whether coding or testing.
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/7/2015 19:09:15


Master of the Dead 
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Yes.. I'm sorry slammy.. In my excitement to not keep you waiting, I triggered a manual run of the cron job(this allocates games amongst eligible players). At the same time, the automated cron job (runs every 10 mins) also ran and so you got 2 games.. I will not trigger manual runs anymore :P
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/7/2015 19:12:59


slammy 
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mmm cron job
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/7/2015 19:30:55


[WM] Gnuffone 
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a small comment:
very good CLOT, there are too much template imho. IF you want rotate them, is better keep s smaller number of tempalte, like 8 i think.
Boot time have to adjusted based on the maps. is not possible have same boot time in macro land and china as china required more thinkink as is bigger.
Ladder should check every 5 minute for pair player, or maybe even less (if possible).

About suggestion, i would love to see a 3v3 ladder Europe, as we claimed that since long time and i am sure several team would join it. (multiday of course).
i leave the template here.

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=585173 (remove requisites)

3v3 Europe 4x4 0% SR 5 initial income, 3 days autoboot, no bank time, vacation allowed, and if you don't want the no luck cycle, put at least cycle move.
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/7/2015 19:39:42


Beren • apex 
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I disagree with Gnuffone. I think more templates is better, as long as they're all good templates.
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/7/2015 20:01:31


master of desaster 
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I love your work Buddy! maybe make a poll soon and all who are on your RTL ladder list can vote for templates they like? it will probably be tough to keep a real time clot running, but you can still change it to multiday if needed ;)
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/7/2015 21:15:55

Hennns
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I got to play one game, but now it doesn't seem to work.

"The supplied invite token is invalid. Please contact the CLOT author for assistance."
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/7/2015 21:24:53


TheWarlightMaster 
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Amazing CLOT! Can't wait till randomized bonuses gets added! Keep up the good work!
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/7/2015 22:02:33


Master of the Dead 
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@Gnuffone
-Since you said in our game chat, that you don't prefer lesser number of templates and don't mind the current number, we will keep the template count as is for now.

-_Ladder should check every 5 minute for pair player, or maybe even less (if possible)._
Fizzer's current recommendation is to create games every 10 minutes only so as to not load warlight's servers. If he agrees to relax this requirement, we can set it to any value :)

- _Variable boot times_
Good suggestion. We will keep this in mind when we do the template polls

- _3v3 EU ladder_
Needs some more investigation. Will work on it after the next two big features planned.



@Beren
I pm'd you about contributing and invited you to a chat game about the ladder.


@MoD
Thanks, let's see how it goes before we switch to multi-day.
Ryiro will setup a poll in the next few days.. We just want to give everyone some time to test what's on the ladder currently in case they haven't played it before.


@TWM
It's coming soon.. but don't reveal all our surprises :P


@Hennns
The error message you see can happen due to the following reasons:
1. The account with which you logged in has not unlocked one of the features used in some template currently on the ladder.
2. The account has not unlocked some map itself
3. You are/have recently logged into the browser with multiple warlight accounts(even if in incognito mode)

If this is because of (3), it can be fixed by clearing the cache and cookies in your browser(for Chrome or Firefox press ctrl+shift+del). another thing to keep in mind is that Warlight's session and this ladder's session are not the same.
this is technically a bug, but I am reluctant to fix it since it kind of discourages alts on the ladder right now, and that can only be a good thing!! However, if this is a deal-breaker for a lot of you, I will look into it

Edited 3/7/2015 22:04:53
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/8/2015 00:57:24


Fateless
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Could you find a multi-attack template for this? In all honesty, it's a seriously under-represented setting in competitive play. If we're gonna have an LD template, we need a MA template too because that makes sense. Other than that, this sounds awesome and I can't wait to try it sometime. Keep up the good work :D
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/8/2015 02:14:00


TBest 
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CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/8/2015 03:06:43


Muten Rōshi
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Very fun :)
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/8/2015 11:47:37


Timinator • apex 
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The template looks interesting, too bad there wasn't even a single good game played in the tournament you linked, lots of stupid moves, even in the final games.

Edited 3/8/2015 11:47:54
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/8/2015 13:21:40


ps 
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nice effort. i am weary it will fall in disuse like all previous clots seem to have. would be nice to have some sort of CLOT feature list on main dashboard of warlight multiplayer to remind people what CLOT's are publically active.
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/8/2015 14:33:40


TBest 
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@Timinatior, You are right about the tournament, there are no good games whatsoever. But at least this means that there will be an obvious difference between nubs and more skilled players. (Although hopefully players don't attack wasteland and stuff, like I did in.... in the final. )
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/8/2015 14:45:31


Master of the Dead 
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@ps - Awesome idea!

I will check with Fizzer.
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/9/2015 08:01:57


Timinator • apex 
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https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=11365
Other option for MA-template


and bring back EA&O (and simply change the luck to 0% SR)

Edited 3/9/2015 08:04:21
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/9/2015 09:08:07


Don [ Ω ]
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Thanks to all who were/are involved in getting this ladder alive. I like what i see at the moment.... depsite loosing my first game to Krzychu :-P
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/9/2015 15:37:54


ChrisCMU 
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I have never seen a few of those templates. I am curious, why they were chosen?

Also, I agree with Gnuff. Please make a 3v3 Europe one (3 day boot).

Edited 3/9/2015 15:39:32
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/9/2015 17:54:29

Mädness
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I great feature would be(ladder or not) the option to establish a distribution mode(for example 3 picks) where you can pick 1 manual and 2 random picks or vice versa! just like the creator of the temptate likes it...
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/9/2015 19:19:57


Master Ryiro 
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@Chris

those templates were brought in for a few reasons
1.they were good yet ignored-promoting them
2.we would like to keep as many templates as possible so that new players learn to play the game and not a particular template
3.if there's a particular template(s) which concensus don't like,it'll be removed/modified



i'll set up a poll soon to vote for new template(s)

Edited 3/9/2015 19:20:55
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/9/2015 19:21:48


[WM] Gnuffone 
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btw, why the gme3 template is called sumo??
make 0 sense, sumo was another map of gui, but great midle east III have never been called in this way
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/9/2015 21:08:48


ChrisCMU 
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LOL, Greater Middle East is the map for Sumo? No wonder I have never heard of it. I've played that map a fair amount but when I saw Sumo I was like WTF?

I suggest naming them more intuitive things or you will scare off potential players perhaps.

Edited 3/9/2015 21:11:44
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/9/2015 21:31:10


Master Turtle 
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Thanks MotD!

Their is a great MA template from the Multiattackers leauge. I will link it later.
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/10/2015 00:47:27


Master of the Dead 
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@Timinator
We've been experimenting with EA&O on a different setting, and it will feature in the polls.

@Master P
It is not possible to create such a template through the UI right now. And any template which a player cannot create, the ladder cannot as well.

@Gnuffone, Chris
The person who introduced me to the map, had the title of Sumo for it. I didn't know about another map called Sumo. I'll change the name to GME when I get home tonight.

Also Gnuffone, can you share a link to the Sumo map?

@Turtle
Make sure you post the link before Ryiro creates the poll. Or just pm him with it.
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/10/2015 02:20:16


Beren • apex 
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I can't find the Sumo map, but here's a template on it: http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=268149
CLOT: A new Real Time Ladder: 3/10/2015 07:06:22


master of desaster 
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Haha the gme template called sumo is from me :D i named it wrong when i saved a bunch of templates ;)
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