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Gentlemen's boot: 11/1/2010 10:07:25


CuChulainn 
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I have a pretty good idea of what a gentlemen's boot is, but so as not to confuse readers in case I'm incorrect, would someone else like to explain the rules, please?
Gentlemen's boot: 11/1/2010 16:38:13

shock
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boot is boot
Gentlemen's boot: 11/1/2010 17:16:36


protagoras007 
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I've never heard this expression.
Gentlemen's boot: 11/1/2010 20:49:59

5L|\/0I20\/ 
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boot with apologizes?
Gentlemen's boot: 11/2/2010 06:31:14

Blue Precision 
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As someone who does boot people but considers himself to always act in good faith, I would say the guidelines are as follows:

1) In a one versus one, rarely boot if you think you are behind.I tend to wait extra long (2-3x's the boot or a minimum of a week is reasonable) if I think I'm behind, and outside of tournament mode usually I vote to end first and follow it up by a boot.

2) If I'm clearly ahead I think that the opponent is just making me wait for the sake of it. A "gentleman" would boot to keep a tournament going, satisfying the craving of the hungry players that do give a damn.

3) In a team game a retaliation boot is considered fair so long as the boot does no exceed that which the other team has done to you. If your the first team to boot, warn the other team in public chat and again, wait a reasonable amount of time (at least 2x the boot with a minimum of a week).

4) Exceptions: player reputation. There are some players that I would simply never boot. I will always wait and give them the benefit of the doubt.
Gentlemen's boot: 11/2/2010 14:55:55


sue 
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I agree with BP and would also add, never boot someone who has asked for more time and/or has warned you that they would be away on vacation for x amount of time.
Gentlemen's boot: 11/2/2010 16:31:43

shock
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lulz wrong wrong wrong.

If boot is 3minutes then boot is ok in any circumstances, bootstthere for a reason, the players all know how long the boot is and if they take over that time then they can go fuck themselves
Gentlemen's boot: 11/2/2010 18:07:37

Blue Precision 
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Fair enough, there is some merits of a quick, enforced 3-5 min boot game. I like it because a) it makes alliances hard to coordinate, and b) It has more emphasis on feel (having to make quick decisions) and less on the mathematics that play into the game. Is it my preferred format, absolutely not.

Most people who make them, I find, do so only so that they can boot new players. Moreover, players who play this format, for the most part, are not taken too seriously by experienced players. They become labelled as booters and/or impatient players. But the question was about a "Gentleman's boot" which is implicit that the player did not boot straight away. Therefore, your point is irrelevent to the question. It is not wrong, in my mind, to boot a player who agreed to play in a 3-5-15 min direct boot game, but it is not gentelmanly either.
Gentlemen's boot: 11/2/2010 19:56:07

willkay98
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BP hit the nail on the head
Gentlemen's boot: 11/3/2010 05:29:51


sue 
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agreed.
Gentlemen's boot: 11/3/2010 21:49:01


agaynondanishprince 
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IMHO Gentleman's boot consists of the following simple rules:

1-Always asking or warning before booting. Direct boot is never gentlemany.

2-First time waiting for someone, wait for double time of the boot. He/she might have connection problems.
Gentlemen's boot: 11/4/2010 07:27:58


CuChulainn 
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Actually, I played a game where the creator explained it very well. I'll have to go search through my game list and post it here. I think it's a good guideline.
Gentlemen's boot: 11/4/2010 18:01:23


Duke 
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A gentleman's boot is when you've imbibed too many martinis one evening, order another and while waiting for it to arrive, discreetly and nonchalantly boot to ensure a sucessful rally.

It's like a traditional boot and rally but you can do it while wearing a tuxedo.
Gentlemen's boot: 11/4/2010 18:03:07


Perrin3088 
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I saw the definition of a gentlemans bot in one game and i didn't like it.. it had seemed assinine, but i don't recall the definition, lol
Gentlemen's boot: 11/8/2010 21:49:43


Peaceful Fawn
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I think the parameters of a "Gentleman's Boot" also changes with the size of the game. I've been in a couple of huge team games on the big maps that were decided by boot a couple of weeks into the game. That is pure crap. If you are going to invest several weeks into a game you should be willing to give players well beyond the minimum boot time to take their turns.
Gentlemen's boot: 11/9/2010 07:29:24

The Impaller 
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A "Gentlemen's Boot" is where you boot a male player who has previously shown himself to behave in a respectful manner...you know, a Gentleman.

Example:

A: "Blue Precision is a class act and he's unfortunately away from the game for a period of time longer than the designated boot time."
B: "What should we do to this gentleman?"
A: "Let's give him the Gentlemen's Boot."

... "Blue Precision was booted by lolololol after he did not make his move for 2 days 15 minutes"
Gentlemen's boot: 11/10/2010 07:23:39

willkay98
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man i cant stand that impaller guy
Gentlemen's boot: 11/10/2010 14:50:30

Pinkbladder
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if someone doesnt go for whatever you consider too long a period of time (the boot time, 2x boot time, 10x boot time, its subjective), and he doesnt post he will be away, then booting is acceptable i think. however, you can always just wait for him to get back if its not a tournament game.
Gentlemen's boot: 11/13/2010 15:11:50

j0
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impaller can be quite annoyin at times
Gentlemen's boot: 11/14/2010 12:47:00

The Impaller 
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Indeed.
Gentlemen's boot: 11/15/2010 00:28:13


TrueJon
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Really, its simple.

Warning, warning, warning. Boot only after the first warning is given and after double the boot time. If a player is consistantly going over the boot time, after being warned, then I feel no further warning is needed.

I think that there is an easy solution, not necessarily the best though. Dont create/join a game with direct boot. Create/join a game that has vote to boot only. This probably would work best in a free for all game, not so much in team games.

See the link I posted recently. http://www.warlight.net/Forum/Thread.aspx?ThreadID=809
Gentlemen's boot: 11/15/2010 12:16:23


agaynondanishprince 
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I moreless agree with Freddy:

Warning + waiting double boot time (in fast games) the first time waiting for someone.

This should be the general rule, but of course many players aren't going to follow it, or just do it when it's convenient for them.

Gentlemany gentlemans should be considerate and try not to win by booting. Having less players makes games not fun at all.
Gentlemen's boot: 11/15/2010 14:54:52

Gorzki
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yeah, right.
Start game without direct boot 10 players FFA.

After second turn you have 2 inactives. so 8 people votes to boot both inactives but neither of them can be booted. Excellent idea.

When a boot time is set, that's it. You may be booted if anyone gets tired of waiting, live with that. If you couldnt do your turn in time, suck it up instead of crying that other players are not gentlemen.

The only exception is when somebody asks on public chat not to boot him for some time because he's going away, then booting such a player I would consider as rude.
Otherwise, give me an autoboot option.
Gentlemen's boot: 11/15/2010 20:19:10


TrueJon
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Gorzki. I agree that joining/creating a game without direct boot is "not necessarily the best" idea.

I like the thought/idea of having an auto boot.
Gentlemen's boot: 11/15/2010 23:27:09


Duke 
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If we had autoboot on, I'd compensate for it by setting much higher boot times (like 3 days)
Gentlemen's boot: 11/16/2010 01:44:35

y0y0
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screw that, thats boring and gay
Gentlemen's boot: 11/16/2010 01:55:53


Perrin3088 
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I know people see as Gorzki does, which is why my *quick* games are 2min vote 8 min boot..

but any real player doesn't *want* to win by boot
a real victory is beating X players fairly, elimination or surrender.. boot is intended purely as a way to keep the game going in case a person or persons are lagging behind too badly.

Gentlemanly thing to do is always give a little extra, cause no matter what anyone says... shit happens. there's no reason to be an arse about it, 3 minutes isn't going to kill you to wait to keep the sincerity of the game...

booting immediately at the boot time, can make your XX% win rate look like scrap to anyone that sees, presuming you care... I'd rather win 20% fairly, then 100% cheaply.
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