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Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 16:05:36


Harmony 
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In CL 16 for harmony, Bodski had the second highest win ratio (5W 1L) after Bechaa.

Bodski was on the same team as καλλιστηι and Texx. He had no 1v1 slots. Due to the nature of team games it could be the case that one player (for example Texx) could do most of the work on the team. When it comes to determining skill level, 1v1 games are better as in them it would only be one player and he would have to make all decisions on his own.

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=35837836
please. both players played superb. i would have done no better than bodski, and im 5th on ladder


Some of my thoughts about that game:
  • Bodski did absolutely nothing about 1st turn bonus in Scandinavia.
  • If Bodski lost his 3rd pick in Antarctica and got his 5th pick in Australia, he would be likely to have some issues.
  • Bodski had a starting pick in West China, but did nothing there for many turns. Bodski could try to complete West China if he felt opponent was not there (suspected a likely 1st turn likely Scandinavia start) or could take Inner Mongolia, then Mongolia and if opponent is in Central Russia, then take Western Siberia.
  • Bodski should have considered opponent likely having Scandinavia, which together with South America would put him at 12 income. If Bodski wanted to farm reinforcements, taking Philippines would only needed +1 extra deploy.
  • Bodski should have blockaded Scott instead of South Pole (South Pole could be taken the same turn by opponent). If Bodski checked history of previous turns, he could determine that he had 1st move order during that turn and could have safely transferred South Pole armies to Scott.
  • Tomsk was a critical counter for West China and opponent was likely expanding in that direction. Using a 1 army tap on Tomsk and then not taking it the same turn, would leave it as 3 army neutral, which could alert opponent to Bodski's plans. Also that 1 army tap might have been better used as a delay move.


Those observations are based on quick glance, I probably can find a few more issues if I look deeper into the game.



To make it short, In team games it can be hard to determine which player is responsible for most of the decisions and Bodski's play in his 1v1 games caused me some suspicions. All I wanted was to play a team game with Bodski and see how he handles team play. Perhaps some of his previous games did not depict him at his best, so playing that 2v2 Volcano Islands game would have been the best way of evaluating Bodski's skill level at that time.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 18:25:22


Bodski 
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I don't think that my play in a 1v1 QM offers much in terms of the question at hand, which was: 'Should Bod be on both of Texx's teams in CL'.

Multi-day is a very different game than QM to me.

Team games are very different again.

I could share team games where my team kicks Texx's ass, but that seems unnecessary.

The obvious question there should have been, who is best to determine which player should be on Texx's team, Eternity or Texx ?

(Eternity still seems to have the incorrect answer to this one)
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 18:34:36


Harmony 
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Multi-day is a very different game than QM to me. Team games are very different again.


If you have necessary skill to play well in 2v2 multiday games, then why not play a 2v2 team game and demonstrate your abilities? It's just one game and it wouldn't take too long. For example if during picking phase you demonstrate great knowledge, then based on your great pick suggestions it could be said that you're a good fit for multiple team slots.

The obvious question there should have been, who is best to determine which player should be on Texx's team, Eternity or Texx ?

At the time Nave and I were managing Clan League roster. Nave was the primary manager, so at the end of day he had the final say. Before the game I and Nave talked back and forth and agreed that 1 test game could confirm if Bodski's skill level is sufficiently good for multiple slots in Clan League.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 18:43:17

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Harmony Player Experience Survey


This has been mentioned a couple of times. Does it actually exist?




There’s so much claims in this thread and previously in the newsletter but no one is giving actual proof, only word of mouth.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 19:21:32


Bodski 
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There was indeed a survey, Eternity sent me his summary of the results.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 19:21:50


TR-8R 
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RIP OJ SIMPSON
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 19:23:46


Bodski 
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Do you still think that you were best placed to determine if I could play 2v2 & 3v3 with Texx and that you could do this in one game without using any of the tools which Texx and I use ?
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 19:35:19


Harmony 
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This has been mentioned a couple of times. Does it actually exist?

Yes. Initial survey questions have been sent on December 9th (to about ~95+% of all players excluding managers), the results of survey have been compiled on December 13th. The same day I sent them to one Harmony manager.

Recently Bodski told me he wasn't aware of survey results, so I presume that the one manager whom I contacted did not share results with other managers.

Currently nearly all the players in Harmony should be aware of survey existence. If you talk to players who were part of our clan during December, it should be easy to confirm it.

The survey was only meant for Harmony clan players and was not designed to be shared with remainder of Warzone community.

Do you still think that you were best placed to determine if I could play 2v2 & 3v3 with Texx and that you could do this in one game without using any of the tools which Texx and I use ?


Nave was the one who made the game and put me on same team as Bodski. Nave was the primary manager of Clan League, so his decisions were final. Nave being on Bodski's team would have been fine too. If Nave could confirm that Volcano 2v2 game went smoothly and Bodski did not disappoint, I would trust Nave's judgement.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 21:43:56


Bodski 
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Eternity, maybe you misunderstood my question.

I am asking if YOU still think that you were best placed to determine if I should play 2v2 & 3v3 with Texx. I'm not looking for an explanation of what happened.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-11 23:24:22


Harmony 
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I am asking if YOU still think that you were best placed to determine if I should play 2v2 & 3v3 with Texx.

Yes. I think I would have done a good job. I want our clan to do well in Clan league, so I would not try to intentionally sabotage you. If you did a good job at teamwork, I can assure you that I would have provided a recommendation to Nave. There was nothing personal about wanting to examine your skill level. I only had doubts about your skill level, because I checked your recent Clan Wars games and they did not impress me.

It's important to remember that Nave and I were managing Clan League roster. As we were the ones who would make decisions in the end regarding roster, it was best if one of us would be the one testing your skill level.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 01:20:31


Bodski 
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Do you recognise that my skill level and my suitability as a partner for Texx are two different things (albeit with some overlaps) ?
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 02:06:31


Harmony 
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Do you recognise that my skill level and my suitability as a partner for Texx are two different things (albeit with some overlaps) ?

Prior to the 2v2 Volcano Islands game, one of the goals was to have one strong player on a team and then the rest would be there to learn through example. This was the way of helping more players prepare for future Clan League seasons. This is how we functioned during 16th season and initially we planned to do similar thing during current season.

There's a total of 5 team leader and 7 remaining team player spots. We expected a large amount of players to show interest in Clan League and as result wanted no player to have more than 1 regular team slot. Nave and I were interacting with interested players at the time and also remembered how previous season participants did in their games. We were sure that during 17th season the amount of eager to improve friendly players would exceed the amount of available spots.

I knew most of Clan League roster candidates well and at the time I and Nave were doing additional test games to learn more about all the other players who have enlisted for Clan League. Based on player performance at the time, it looked like there would be no issue to find another player who would be compatible with Texx.


In short , Nave and I believed that having more players on our main roster would help us prepare a more experienced team for future seasons. On top of that we believed that it wouldn't be difficult to find an additional player who would be compatible with Texx.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 02:06:32


lawm 
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Dafuq is clanwar?

I've been gone for awhile
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 04:35:29


alexclusive 
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Eternity, so far you haven't agreed with a single accusation raised. I am sure you are intelligent enough to tell that the probability they are all false (the other party being completely wrong/you being completely correct) is negligiable. Such things don't come from nothing. So if you had to pick a single point raised and agree with it, which one would come the closest? Maybe let's establish a tiny basis of understanding.
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 08:50:45


Bodski 
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Eternity, you seem to have misunderstood the question again. Perhaps I am not being clear, although it does seem like a limitation in your ability to communicate, I think that I am being clear.

For further clarity, I am asking if YOU think that you were best placed to assess my suitability as a partner for Texx and my skill level are two different things.

Your reply has raised another question though:

Was your purpose to assess my suitability to play with Texx (your previous claims) or was your purpose to remove me from playing both templates so that I would just play one template with Texx (your latest claim) ? In other words, were you consistently lying up to this point, or is this a new lie ?
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 08:56:58


Bahamut Rojo
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*munches popcorn*
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 09:16:57


Bahamut Rojo
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I dont quite understand why Nave's judgement is more important than the teammate (Texx)'s

If i had to go to war, id like to recruit and build myself the team. Not being imposed one

that would be... disharmonious
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 11:25:31


Cicero_ 
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Eternity, so far you haven't agreed with a single accusation raised. I am sure you are intelligent enough to tell that the probability they are all false (the other party being completely wrong/you being completely correct) is negligiable. Such things don't come from nothing. So if you had to pick a single point raised and agree with it, which one would come the closest? Maybe let's establish a tiny basis of understanding.


@alexclusive
so according to your argumentation, as he has being acussed of 'x' number of things, he must admit at least 'y' of them because of probability? are you serious?

Following that logic, How many of Harmony's explanations has been admitted by the other interlocutors (bodski, texx or nave)?

lol
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 11:28:26

Alamo 
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Is there any way to unsubscribe from this feed in chat?
Eternity and Harmony Clarification: 2024-04-12 11:36:35


stefano36000 
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@Cicero if you want to have a constructive discussion having some common understanding and use that has a stepping stone to rebuild a relationship can be useful, and I think that's what alex was alluding to here. Whereas talking past each other is pretty useless and doesn't accomplish anything, which is what's happening now, so can we let this thread die now?

Edited 4/12/2024 11:39:05
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