You have to understand that he needs to deter, do you think the police will be time to get Sshmayemim the people? What would stop them put a knife in the stomach and escape? Even if you want to change the morality it will not matter if you take people's guns, it's a great country that an investor who can not, there are people born without an education in the street, and you can change it easily.
And Dana for as little as Hong Kong is much easier to enforce, it is only 7 million on a land area, the police takes maybe two hours to cross the city, you compare?
And if no guns is what will stop them rob with a butcher knife.
You can not change these things easily, and such a large country with a very large debt

You can not change these things easily, and such a large country with a very large debt

Perhaps is they stopped spending trillions on making enemies across the globe they could improve the security of their nation...

I find it sad that people in a country have so little trust in the Police and faith in the security of their neighbourhood that they find it a need to resort to arming themselves and potentially killing someone just to be able to protect their homes and families.

The rest of your comment (first part) I didn't quite understand.

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Little Blue, there are many options to prevent an assault. You did it with your putter? Very well done. I admire your courage. I dont want to convince you. And you or someone else wont convince me either. At the beginning, this was about foreigners views of america. In fact that most of the fact could be used for both sides within this discussion, I will simply decide for myself to avoid guns in general. In my opinion they are made to take lifes not to protect them. stating the opposite is like stating: We achieve peace with war.

Read my poem

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Pulsey, I'm not saying anything about feelings. Feelings have no bearing on reality. I will say that having a gun is the best way to protect yourself against an attacker. Do you disagree with that? If so, what are the best ways to protect yourself in your opinion?

I agree, I want to live somewhere where I'm safe. But what you want doesn't change reality. The question is, how likely are you to be attacked, and how do you want to prepare for it?

The burglar too, should also make the decision not to burgle because its wrong to steal, not because he's scared that the guy he robs will carry a gun.

You don't have a strong foundation in reality. That is one of the most absurd things I've heard in a while. Murderers should just stop killing cause it's wrong, right? That would solve all our problems, but nobody could actually think it's a solution.

There are many countries and cities with people of all backgrounds, gun control and very good crime rates, like my home city, Hong Kong. Why should the US be any different? Does the color of their skin, or their genetics make them more violent or criminal at birth? No! It all goes down to how the environment in which they are brought up in that will define their behaviour and morals.

There you go! That's exactly it. There is a very large problem with culture in the US, especially in poor, urban areas. Gun control won't fix that problem at all.

thats why the poor should be exacuted hahahahha jk jk jk

Ranek, yes I was able to protect myself without a gun. I was also very lucky. If they had come 10 seconds earlier or 10 seconds later, I wouldn't have access to anything except my own hands.

I'm not trying to convince anybody of what they should do or like, I'm just stating my opinions, based on facts and research. The facts matter, but most people form their opinions on their feelings, like Pulsey. He wants to feel safe, but criminals don't care about that. He thinks it shows a lack of faith in the police and the community to own guns for defense, but what about the people who had faith in the police and the community, but were brutally murdered with no means to defend themselves?

This is on-topic, because foreigners try to view the gun-control issue without understanding it. You can't understand the impacts and ramifications of gun-control in the US without understanding the underlying situation, crime rates, causes, demographics, etc etc etc.

If I could change the US to where people didn't get murdered, I would. Since I can't, I prepare. I have insurance in case of a flood or fire. I have fire extinguishers in case of fire. I have food storage in case of food shortage or a loss of income. Emotion should have no place in these discussions, but emotion drives most human reasoning. Especially in politics.

Edit: Almost forgot. The great thing about self defense with a gun, is how rarely a person has to kill someone to defend themselves with it. Only a couple hundred cases a year of a citizen actually killing a criminal. Almost every time, simply brandishing the firearm stops the crime. Again, statistics and facts, not emotions.

On the other hand, when people try to defend themselves with a knife, bat, or even golf club, it usually doesn't de-escalate the situation, and then real violence has to happen.

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Ok, enough of this topic. how bout we go to civil troubles and revolutions and things of the like that involve the people and weapons.

There you go! That's exactly it. There is a very large problem with culture in the US, especially in poor, urban areas. Gun control won't fix that problem at all.

Of course gun control won't fix that problem. And that was my earlier point. Money and time should be spent on solutions to solve the root of the problem by improving the cultural environment, rather than relying on using the threat of violence (guns).

And you misunderstood my earlier burglary point. The person robbing the house is making a conscious decision to do so. Would you rob someone's house if you needed money? I'm guessing / hoping not. And the same goes to people all over the world. Why should the burglar be any different?

My point : You should feel safe because it is your right to do so, not because you carry a gun. Many countries get along fine with gun control, including ones with a mix of races. I don't see why a gunless America should be any different.

Lucid, let them talk.

Pulsey, if you acknowledge gun control won't fix the problem, then why support it? While we work on fixing the problem(as if our government can fix anything these days, the thought is a joke), what's wrong with people defending themselves?

Please, answer a few questions for me.

Do you agree that lots of people in the US get murdered in and out of their homes?
Do you agree that a gun can be used to defend yourself from an attacker?
If you disagree, then what should the hundreds of thousands of murder victims have done to protect themselves?

I know your point, but *feeling safe* doesn't change anything. You can feel safe if you want, or not, it won't change your chances of being robbed, mugged, beaten, or killed.

So tell me, right now, while we try to solve the cultural problems, what should the murder victims have done? What should a person who gets attacked in the parking lot do? If you don't think guns are the answer for these problems, what should these people do?

Edit: I've explained why you can't just compare other countries. Safer countries don't have the cultural problems that we do, which drive the criminal problems. You still seem to think that gun-control would fix the problem, even though you admitted it won't.

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Ok, enough of this topic. how bout we go to civil troubles and revolutions and things of the like that involve the people and weapons.

I really dislike that type of talk, especially when people start making predictions and statements about war, treating it like a game. Typical comments from online Americans would include 'If China/North Korea/Russia' wants war, then we'll give it to them! We will nuke the commies and teach them a lesson about messing with America etc etc'. Apart from the blatant ignorance and the unrealistic content nature of such comments, these people also fail to realize that the reasons they have these bragging rights have almost nothing to do with their contribution, but the hard work and innovation of others in their countries.

Its fun to talk about war and you should always advocate for peace.

Not all american are Xenophobic, racist, gun-loving, "fag" haters.

I use guns for self defense, and hunting. I believe it is the best defense in my particular area, because the cops are lazy and have a 10-15 minute response time, like Little blue said. Obviously, gun control has worked in other nations, but it is not a solution for the USA.

One last thing, why is it that some will complain about american cultures, and then try to force their gun legislation down our throat?

America is not a bad place, its just, well, WE NEED TO MIND OUR GODDAMN OWN FRIGGIN BUSINESS! If it is a threat to national security or our allies, yeah sure, take action. Also, technically speaking, We are a Representative Republic.

Pulsey, if you acknowledge gun control won't fix the problem, then why support it?

I see it as similar to a permanent headache. Taking painkillers will obviously take away the pain, but it is only temporary, and you should focus on getting rid of the root of the problem - the headache. The problem here is crime and violence, giving people the gun only allows people to combat violence with violence, it does not solve violence. My other point is that blaming this on America's mix of cultural and racial backgrounds isn't an excuse, since there are many similar countries. That being said, as I mentioned earlier, apart from self defence, guns are also the reason due to many murders committed under passion. I made that clear on my first post in the 2nd page. Beren also said something about suicides. Thus, they should be removed.

One last thing, why is it that some will complain about american cultures, and then try to force their gun legislation down our throat?

I never complained about American culture, in fact I praised it. Like i said, this is my first ever debate on gun control, so I'm not the type of person that goes around trying to force others to conform to my beliefs, and I'm sure Little Blue has some belief I don't fully appreciate and understand. At the end of the day I just want to learn something. Try harder, Lawlz. ;)

My last post for tonight.

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The vast majority of murders in the United States are gang related, and consequently drug trafficking related, since drug money is what funds gangs. Outside that, the US is really no more dangerous than any other developed nation.

How can we get rid of most gang related violence? End the war on drugs, legalize and regulate them. Then gangs will lose their sources of income.

i didnt say anything about america

Beren the reason we ban drugs is because of the psycho effect they have on people.

Lucid, is that why weed is banned? Why not alcohol?

Even if you're right, does banning drugs work? What consequences come from it?

Hint: it increases crime, people still use drugs at the same rate, and it gives power to drug cartels.



It's impossible to actually consider the war on drugs and still support it.

It's ok Pulsey, you won't respond to my questions, so there's no point in continuing anyway. Clearly, you think the millions of people who defend themselves with guns shouldn't be able to, and somehow that would be better.

To answer the original question...


I personally see the USA as a caveman armed with a bazooka. A populous generally primitive in beliefs, primitive in morals, primitive in mentality. However circumstance puts America into the position of strongest nation in the world. This worries me. If I was in a room with a bazooka toting caveman I'd leave the room. Unfortunately it's not so easy to leave an American-dominated world...


Americans, please try to convince me otherwise. I know a good deal of decent and modern Americans. But I have talked to more primitive ones.