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U.S. Torture report: Publice Reception: 1/11/2015 06:05:06


Genghis 
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Agreed!
Civilized conversation on the internet!

http://youtu.be/3GwjfUFyY6M?t=24s
U.S. Torture report: Publice Reception: 1/11/2015 06:15:45

NOOB_SHATTERER
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I!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!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U.S. Torture report: Publice Reception: 1/11/2015 06:21:25


Жұқтыру
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Tsh...this reminds me of a long play series that I used to watch. I'll modify a quote.

Ah, I see this comes from the Al-Qaeda school of Creative Writing
U.S. Torture report: Publice Reception: 1/11/2015 07:50:40


myhandisonfire 
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If you ask so nicely Ghengis, I am always willing to educate you.
And of course correct the mistake you pointed out. I meant 9% control another 40% of the train.
But now to your questions:

Since I know as an average american you most likely have an allergic reaction to reading, I will try not to link too much raw data.

Are you saying one person controls the entire train?


No, I am saying 1% of the people control 40% of the train.

Your nice little vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM

Are you saying all the other trains are so much better?


Depends. If you are part of the 1% maybe not. If you are part of the 80% majority though, yes, there are much better trains for you. In fact, people in almost all other developed country trains, travel much better. Even a diabolical evil communist country like Cuba, under US embargo for almost 50 years, which includes medicine, has better child and infant mortality rates than the USA.

Little link, that you can ignore, since it involves reading:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/04/15/map-how-35-countries-compare-on-child-poverty-the-u-s-is-ranked-34th/


Are you saying our train's the worst?


No, I am not saying your train is the worst. You train started of from a high level. It was a modern train in the 60s for the people that rode it, but since then the people have been pushed more and more in the back wagons, to make room for the 1%. But there is a good chance that trains which got a lot of "help" by your train, like Guatemala, El Salvador, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia etc. are the worst. And the trains that got "help" by the European countries for centuries of course, like the African trains. If you want to ride a good train, stay away from Africa and trains that got "help" by your train.

Are you saying everybody's a racist/politically-heated asshole?


Where did you read that? Shrug.

Are you somekind of communistic propaganda-writer?


Dear Ghengis, the controlers of your train use the ghost of commuism only to scare the people in the back wagons into accepting their greed and exploitation of them. They tell them: " listen, you have to make room in those wagons, otherwise the big bad trainswallowing communist devil will dismantle this train and you will have to walk". This worked pretty well ever since your train left the station. This indoctrination has gone so far, that it would be interesting to know if its already written in your genes now.
In the end, you are willing to sacrfise your own well being just to prevent more equality. Equality which made the best trains like the scandinavian trains, exactly what they are, the best trains. They even seem to not run towards the abyss.
U.S. Torture report: Publice Reception: 1/11/2015 10:16:25


Ranek
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Why are you guys talking about trains, that's a pretty childish symbol due to this topic, are you afraid to use the real name?^^
U.S. Torture report: Publice Reception: 1/11/2015 10:33:41


myhandisonfire 
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si fueris Romae, Romano vivito more

Given the audience, the train has to do.
U.S. Torture report: Publice Reception: 1/11/2015 13:26:21


slammy 
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At least the US Americans agree again on how injust the worlds perception is towards the United States.
Nothing new here.
The rest of the world, just a bunch of spineless, lazy, uncreative anti americans jealous of the great achievements of the USA.

See? This is my point right here. The Americans did agree that the perception of them is skewed. One person said something about critics being spineless. All of a sudden all of the Americans think the whole world is spineless?

Do you not see my point myhand?
U.S. Torture report: Publice Reception: 1/11/2015 14:22:55


[₩Ů£F] £Ų€ÏĐ ĎŔĒÅMĘŘ
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The world sucks
U.S. Torture report: Publice Reception: 1/11/2015 14:34:00


slammy 
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The world sucks

Thanks a lot Dreamer. Now myhand is going to say that all Americans are pessimists.
U.S. Torture report: Publice Reception: 1/11/2015 15:23:47


Жұқтыру
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Myhand, could you be a little bit nicer, please? I agree with you in general, but lay off the insults. Genghis now has the right to call you as a drunk German slaughtering some pigs.
U.S. Torture report: Publice Reception: 1/11/2015 15:41:28


[₩Ů£F] £Ų€ÏĐ ĎŔĒÅMĘŘ
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When did the world not suck?
U.S. Torture report: Publice Reception: 1/11/2015 15:50:28


Жұқтыру
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When the dinosaurs roamed.
U.S. Torture report: Publice Reception: 1/11/2015 15:54:09


[₩Ů£F] £Ų€ÏĐ ĎŔĒÅMĘŘ
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Atheist?
U.S. Torture report: Publice Reception: 1/11/2015 15:57:27


Жұқтыру
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Don't make assumptions, I'm not.
U.S. Torture report: Publice Reception: 1/11/2015 17:09:05


{rp} Julius Caesar 
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what are you then?

Edited 1/11/2015 17:09:23
U.S. Torture report: Publice Reception: 1/11/2015 17:23:10


Phulesdorp
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@Myhand: Did you know that 82% of all quoted statistics are made up on the spot?

For instance, I went straight from Dick and Jane to Encyclopedia Britannica.

Not to mention that you can benefit from the economic train by having a job, applying for the E.I.T.C, and/or C.T.C. (subsidies if you have children), and SNAP (food stamps). Then there's special programs for the poor such as Comcast's Internet Essentials.

You can go to classes that teach you how to manage your budget.

And if you're in deep debt, either by your past actions or whatever, you might as well file for bankruptcy.

It's not that bad.

... Well actually, it's only bad if you're an immigrant coming from a foreign-speaking country, where you'd have to apply for English-speaking classes for quite awhile, but you can't really avoid that.

Which brings me to another topic: It's not a very fair comparison. Does the E.U. have all that much immigration? I'd even venture to say it's kind of xenophobic, even.

I'm fairly sure that Luxembourg doesn't get hundreds of thousands or even millions of (destitute and illiterate...) immigrants every year. And if they did, their hospitals would get overburdened, and the mortality rates would rocket sky high. Not to mention the unemployment.
U.S. Torture report: Publice Reception: 1/11/2015 17:58:05


Жұқтыру
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Did you know that 82% of all quoted statistics are made up on the spot?


Is that a statistic?

Whatever these programmes are, they're not effective enough. Income inequality in the US is very high. I'm not going to say EU is perfect, though, because it's not. But it's better, in general. And EU does have quite a bit of immigration, Germany itself is third in total number of foreignborn population. EU has the same immigration problem, many crackpots think that EU in 100 years will be Saudi Europa.
U.S. Torture report: Publice Reception: 1/11/2015 18:10:18


Genghis 
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The U.S. is also the 4th largest nation. It's kind of hard to administrate something of that size. Our population is also 3x larger than the average European nation ( grouping Russia into this ( sorry Asiatic-prefererenced Russkis! )), again, kind of hard to administrate. It's so hard to administrate, that we literally don't know how many people are below the poverty line. We only have such " low " unemployment because that's how many people could figure out, had the time or ability to sign up for welfare/etc. When you don't have such basic statistics like that, you know there's an administration problem.
You blame the capitalist system for our problems, but in theory, capitalism is a perfect system. If you work hard, you get rewarded proportionally. It sounds a lot better than Communism's " Work hard, everybody gets 1 more milligram in their rations! ", and a helluva lot better than Meritocracy's " Serve as a soldier for X Years, live as an underprivileged citizen until you serve as a soldier for another Y years! ". Question response response.

No, I am saying 1% of the people control 40% of the train.

You misheard me. I was referring to the " Every 4 miles, elect a new train conductor " mechanic. It seems that 1 man would politically and realistically control the entire train, when irl there is a supreme court that can declare things unconstitutional and a congress that can impeach the president.

Depends. If you are part of the 1% maybe not. If you are part of the 80% majority though, yes, there are much better trains for you. In fact, people in almost all other developed country trains, travel much better. Even a diabolical evil communist country like Cuba, under US embargo for almost 50 years, which includes medicine, has better child and infant mortality rates than the USA.

As said earlier, there is a very high immigration influx which causes administration problems. Not that I'm anti-immigration or anything ; the Hispanic culture will end up being a huge market boost and we'll look like heroes at the end of the day for shielding these people from these warped Latin American nations and their criminal underworlds. From an honest perspective, I don't think anybody would really want to be the 1%. That'd probably be the most unrewarding, bottomless pit of despair ever. It's always the journey, and never the destination. I'll stick to $72k/year with a smile on my face than have my every request be granted. And, the other developed nations in the world much more socialist than ours, and for someone aspiring to climb up the political ladder, that doesn't sound very good to me.

No, I am not saying your train is the worst. You train started of from a high level. It was a modern train in the 60s for the people that rode it, but since then the people have been pushed more and more in the back wagons, to make room for the 1%. But there is a good chance that trains which got a lot of "help" by your train, like Guatemala, El Salvador, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia etc. are the worst. And the trains that got "help" by the European countries for centuries of course, like the African trains. If you want to ride a good train, stay away from Africa and trains that got "help" by your train.

This train is more modern than any other train in the world. The women don't have to hide themselves in public, we can protest the government functions, we can bear our own arms in times of crisis and everybody ( though this rule is impartial in times of combat ) is guaranteed a speedy trial with an attorney and a jury of their peers. Also, we have top universities that have been running the periodic table for a while.
You keep claiming that the 1% control/run the nation, but I'm pretty sure that's the government. Also, you keep talking about how they run this nation, but what about your European nations, like the one you live in? Are they not run by the wealthy? Isn't everything technically run by the wealthy, elite and those in political power? The 1% aren't " running " anything but their businesses. If you haven't been watching the news/reading the news ( I know that you have a great affinity for a backwards system such as newspapers ), you'd know that the thing keeping a lot of business up is bailouts. If those stop, they all crumble. Hmm, sounds like a lot more like those elected by us ( give or take ) are in the real power, as they should be.

Where did you read that? Shrug.

You said that it was " for standing places, black against white against Hispanic against republican... etc ". Not sure if this was intended or not, but you did have the opportunity to just leave the sentence where it was and not go in-depth.

In the end, you are willing to sacrfise your own well being just to prevent more equality. Equality which made the best trains like the scandinavian trains, exactly what they are, the best trains. They even seem to not run towards the abyss.

Equality doesn't solve anything. Equality is also impossible. How can we all be equal if we are all different? The closest thing we'll ever get to equality is simply trusting each other to respect each other. No government will ever be able to enforce such a thing. Also, you can have fun with your model train set. That's the only place where Scandinavia will ever have the " best trains ". I can only name 2 business from Scandinavia , matter-of-factly ; LEGO and IKEA. When you're more recognized for IKEA than the women, your nation is not the balls.

Esq. Genghis XIII of Cornwall
U.S. Torture report: Publice Reception: 1/11/2015 18:27:53


Phulesdorp
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That was the intent of the statistic.

And how is the E.U. better, in general? And if they are better, I'd like to point you to: http://www.globalaging.org/health/world/depopulationeuropejapan.htm

Especially this quote: "According to the U.S. Census Bureau, by 2030 the EU can expect to have 14 percent fewer workers and 7 percent fewer consumers than it does today."

... And most of the immigration to Germany comes from other European countries.
U.S. Torture report: Publice Reception: 1/11/2015 18:30:31


[₩Ů£F] £Ų€ÏĐ ĎŔĒÅMĘŘ
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I wasn't making assumptions. Just asking cause different philosophicall views can change views of other things.
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